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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar, 2010 2:34 pm    Post subject: CF407 Malatesta - Production Model         Reply with quote

Here are some pics of the actual production pieces. I will try to get more later.












Modified to add more photos

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar, 2010 3:55 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Is it actually available for purchase now?

Is it still just pre-order status?

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We are working the Leather on these now. Some have been shipped and if you look around a few dealers including Christian Fletcher have them listed as available.
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar, 2010 7:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

So much of that combo looks really nice but I can't help looking and thinking that the furniture really wants to be married to a Type XV or XVIII blade. Cool In these photos it looks like you've changed that handle wrap from what I've seen in the originals. From a smooth leather to a grip impressed with a cord overlay? Nice touch.
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar, 2010 7:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I ordered one though the Custom Sword Shoppe this evening. I'll post my thoughts on it when it arrives. Happy
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar, 2010 8:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That is a very attractive piece.

It would have been easy to avoid the criticism that the hilt and the blade don't match historically - use an XVIIIa or b blade instead of a XIIa.

Still - mighty pretty. Mr. Sarge, I look forward to reading your impressions of this sword.
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar, 2010 10:40 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Roger Hooper wrote:
That is a very attractive piece.

It would have been easy to avoid the criticism that the hilt and the blade don't match historically - use an XVIIIa or b blade instead of a XIIa.

Still - mighty pretty. Mr. Sarge, I look forward to reading your impressions of this sword.


There is always the old idea of an older blade remounted later in the currently popular style. Wink

Also I think that I read that type XIIa or XIII blade types became popular again when armour started to become less universally complete in the late 15th early 16th. century and big cutting sword had a more target rich environment where ordinary soldiers wouldn't be as fully protected as knights i.e. pikemen and archebusiers.

In any case a very appealing sword and sword furniture combination at a competitive price.

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Mar, 2010 11:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jean Thibodeau wrote:
Roger Hooper wrote:
That is a very attractive piece.

It would have been easy to avoid the criticism that the hilt and the blade don't match historically - use an XVIIIa or b blade instead of a XIIa.

Still - mighty pretty. Mr. Sarge, I look forward to reading your impressions of this sword.


There is always the old idea of an older blade remounted later in the currently popular style. Wink

Also I think that I read that type XIIa or XIII blade types became popular again when armour started to become less universally complete in the late 15th early 16th. century and big cutting sword had a more target rich environment where ordinary soldiers wouldn't be as fully protected as knights i.e. pikemen and archebusiers.

In any case a very appealing sword and sword furniture combination at a competitive price.


Certainly true, Jean. Consider the blades in 16th, 17th and even 18th century broadswords - may of them really would not look at all odd mounted in a cross hilt with a wheel pommel.

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Mar, 2010 1:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If the blade is drawing critcism, its got to be pretty mild criticism. The kit looks great as it is but the imagination does wander a bit sometimes. Perhaps not as much now as it did years ago. Still...
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Joe Fults wrote:
If the blade is drawing critcism, its got to be pretty mild criticism. The kit looks great as it is but the imagination does wander a bit sometimes. Perhaps not as much now as it did years ago. Still...


It previously drew some of that mild criticism, and it was, If you can believe it, on this forum Eek! - http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...=malatesta -

I can see it as one of those Renaissance Great Sword throwbacks, though those were typically XIIIa's
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Mar, 2010 7:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Pretty mild. Regardless I'm impressed with this piece, at least in these photos, since that's all I've seen of it is photos. Its a nice effort and I can only hope some posters here manage to get their hands on one and tells us what its like in person.
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Mar, 2010 12:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Joe Fults wrote:
So much of that combo looks really nice but I can't help looking and thinking that the furniture really wants to be married to a Type XV or XVIII blade. Cool In these photos it looks like you've changed that handle wrap from what I've seen in the originals. From a smooth leather to a grip impressed with a cord overlay? Nice touch.


Or a XVI...but yeah I thought the same thing Happy . I think mentioned that when I first saw the prototype pictures...just not sure where and to whom hehe. Glad somebody else agrees.
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Mar, 2010 4:45 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I got my all black Malatesta from the CSS today...

While I will not go into a lengthy review of it yet, my initial feelings about it are great. Everything about this sword is spot on the way it should be. The Malatesta is by far my favorite Valiant offering to date. I have swords I paid twice as much for that are not on par with this sword.

I won't leave everyone in the dark here, so I will try to link back to a mini-review with full specs, photos, video when I get the chance.

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I'd heard rumor that your black toy was indeed very nice.

I look forward to seeing some photos or somesuch of it soon.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar, 2010 3:46 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I did a review of this sword on the SBG site here:

http://sbgswordforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?...read=15486

Details and photos galore for any interested... Big Grin

Here are are some quick photos of some finer details for the benefit of the thread:
















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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar, 2010 5:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

From your linked review:

"...Valiant Armory has again set the bar very high with the Malatesta. Though itís imported, it handles every bit like a higher-dollar offering from a US manufacturer. The other sword importers need to step up their game, or Valiant will have them looking for work...."

Not sure I feel all good about it, but from what I can see of this package online, and from the raves this sword is drawing, I'd say its not just the importers who are going to feel some competetive pressure. A sword with that aesthetic value and with that kind of scabbard and suspension to boot, is just not something I've ever seen near the VA price point before. Like...ever. Hell it probably even has the potential to take some value out of the second hand market. Especially if VA can keep things like this coming to its dealers.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar, 2010 10:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Is it right to categorise this blade as a XII? Although the edges are not parallel, the profile does not appear to taper as much as a XII and is more like a XIII.

From the photo's the tip also appears to be quite spatulate like a XIII.

Comparing it to some offerings from Albion, the fuller is more like that on the XIII's, being narrower than that of a XII.

My overall impression from the photo's is that it looks like it shares a lot more of the characteristics of the Duke, Steward or Count, than those of the Knight or Baron.

I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, but that which it protects. (Faramir, The Two Towers)
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar, 2010 10:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Paul Watson wrote:
Is it right to categorise this blade as a XII? Although the edges are not parallel, the profile does not appear to taper as much as a XII. From the photo's the tip also appears to be quite spatulate.


You raise a good point: I call it a Type XII because it's a little too short to be a Type XIIA (in addition to the differences which you spoke of), lending itself to be a unique type of bastard sword (presuming it was a fictional re-hilt). A Type XIIA is what it was designed as by Christian Fletcher / Angus Trim; as were the 304S and the Kriegschwert. There is definately some lateral movement from the Typology in all of these Type XIIA blades. However, in light of the differences between what other manufacturers classify blades (such as an Oakeshott Type VI Mad ) - calling it a Type XII works in my book as a general guideline as to what it is.

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