Info Favorites Register Log in
myArmoury.com Discussion Forums

Forum index Memberlist Usergroups Spotlight Topics Search
Forum Index > Historical Arms Talk > Zweihander Specifications? Reply to topic
This is a standard topic  
Author Message
C. Stringer




Location: Minnesota
Joined: 28 Jan 2010

Posts: 5

PostPosted: Thu 28 Jan, 2010 2:45 pm    Post subject: Zweihander Specifications?         Reply with quote

I was wondering what the specifications of a typical Zweihander are?
How long were they usually? Both the blade and the handle.
How wide/thick was the blade?
What Oakeshott type were they?
Were their blades designed for thrusting or cleaving? I know they used half-swording techniques, but were they mainly cleaving weapons aside from that?
Did they all have,( I forget what they're called), parrying hooks along the blade?
Were they used like standard longswords? Or did they have a unique fighting style besides use against pike men?
Also, is it true that they cleave through a horse? If they were meant for cleaving I wouldn't be surprised if they could cut of a horses head.
Thanks.

Nothing Gold can stay...so let us wait for the coming day...
View user's profile Send private message
JG Elmslie
Industry Professional



Location: Scotland
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Reading list: 28 books

Posts: 267

PostPosted: Thu 28 Jan, 2010 2:59 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

simple one first, the typology falls outside the oakeshott typology, as they're mostly post-medieval blade types.

length; 150-175cm is the typical average for blade and hilt.
width, 50mm diamond section is a reasonable average.
weight, 3-9 lbs is the range, with the average probably somewhere around 5.

not all have the flukes, the parrying hook, but they're common on german ones.
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Timo Nieminen




Location: Brisbane, Australia
Joined: 08 May 2009
Likes: 1 page
Reading list: 1 book

Posts: 1,504

PostPosted: Thu 28 Jan, 2010 3:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A two-hander isn't a big longsword. It's a similar shape, and you can and will use similar guards, but movement is different. A longsword is just a little steel stick you can wave around with your arms, while a two-hander is a dance partner - you move together with it. Especially if you have one hand on the ricasso, it's more polearm than sword. Lever and thrust, push and hook with your parrying-hooks/flukes/secondary guard if present.

They can cut, and cut well, in good hands. Whether or not they're capable of the feats sometimes attributed to them (e.g., cutting clean through horse and rider at once for Chinese two-handers) is another story, but given a sharp blade moving at high speed, it will cut. There are some cutting vids on youtube using the Cold Steel two-hander (which is short) and the Hanwei Lowlander.
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Robert S. Haile





Joined: 16 Dec 2007

Posts: 126

PostPosted: Thu 28 Jan, 2010 4:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Timo Nieminen wrote:
A two-hander isn't a big longsword. It's a similar shape, and you can and will use similar guards, but movement is different. A longsword is just a little steel stick you can wave around with your arms, while a two-hander is a dance partner - you move together with it. Especially if you have one hand on the ricasso, it's more polearm than sword. Lever and thrust, push and hook with your parrying-hooks/flukes/secondary guard if present.

They can cut, and cut well, in good hands. Whether or not they're capable of the feats sometimes attributed to them (e.g., cutting clean through horse and rider at once for Chinese two-handers) is another story, but given a sharp blade moving at high speed, it will cut. There are some cutting vids on youtube using the Cold Steel two-hander (which is short) and the Hanwei Lowlander.


An accurate description of movement with a two hander...though I don't know if I'd call a longsword a mere steel stick you wave around with your arms. I would say it requires just as much of a different breed of finesse.
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
C. Stringer




Location: Minnesota
Joined: 28 Jan 2010

Posts: 5

PostPosted: Thu 28 Jan, 2010 10:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for your help guys!
Nothing Gold can stay...so let us wait for the coming day...
View user's profile Send private message
Greg Coffman




Location: Lubbock, TX
Joined: 24 Aug 2006
Reading list: 4 books

Posts: 254

PostPosted: Fri 29 Jan, 2010 6:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

See the following ARMA article on this subject. And also, search the forum to find the information you are looking for, because it has all been covered elsewhere.

http://www.thearma.org/essays/2HGS.html

For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
-Hebrews 4:12
View user's profile Send private message
Walter Neubauer




Location: Bayreuth/ Germany
Joined: 07 Apr 2004

Posts: 2

PostPosted: Mon 01 Feb, 2010 1:41 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello,

here is another link for you:
http://www.schwertkampf-ochs.de/Essays/aufsat...ert_v1.pdf

very good but only in german language Wink

Maybe you have someone for translation.


Greetings

Walter
View user's profile Send private message


Display posts from previous:   
Forum Index > Historical Arms Talk > Zweihander Specifications?
Page 1 of 1 Reply to topic
All times are GMT - 8 Hours

View previous topic :: View next topic
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum






All contents © Copyright 2003-2020 myArmoury.com — All rights reserved
Discussion forums powered by phpBB © The phpBB Group
Switch to the Basic Low-bandwidth Version of the forum