Info Favorites Register Log in
myArmoury.com Discussion Forums

Forum index Memberlist Usergroups Spotlight Topics Search
Forum Index > Off-topic Talk > Graphic Novel Research Reply to topic
This is a standard topic  
Author Message
Max Dunbar





Joined: 02 Jan 2010

Posts: 4

PostPosted: Sun 03 Jan, 2010 12:48 pm    Post subject: Graphic Novel Research         Reply with quote

hello all.

I'm working on researching, and gathering reference for a graphic novel I may be illustrating (not writing) in the near future about the Mongol invasion of Europe, Rus in particular.

I've gotten some books out, but I'm going into this with little-to-no knowledge of the subject matter, and there is obviously a ton to learn.

I have gotten the impression that there is a wealth of extremely knowledgeable people on this board about such things,

I was wondering if any of you out there might point me towards some books, films, or websites that you can recommend, anything with pictures or illustrations is best (to see how armour, weapons are worn, etc)

I appreciate your time. thanks.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Roger Hooper




Location: Northern California
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Likes: 1 page

Spotlight topics: 3
Posts: 3,796

PostPosted: Sun 03 Jan, 2010 1:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This isn't exactly what you're asking for, but I'm recommending a great novel about the Mongol invasion of Russia and Eastern Europe, Until the Sun Falls, by Cecelia Holland. It was written 40 years ago, but it's still in print - you can buy it new or used at Amazon. No illustrations (except for some very odd cover art on the new reprint), but it will give you some great mind images that may inspire you. It's also a fun read.

Edited because I mispelled the author's name


Last edited by Roger Hooper on Mon 04 Jan, 2010 12:39 am; edited 1 time in total
View user's profile Send private message
Marko Susimetsa




Location: Finland
Joined: 24 Nov 2006
Likes: 1 page

Posts: 147

PostPosted: Sun 03 Jan, 2010 10:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

These guys make nice repro mongolian bows and their gallery offers some images of the armour etc. as well - it might be especially useful to know that mongols didn't use their fingers to draw a bow, but had a special thumb hook for that purpose.

Also, the shape of the bow is very distinctive and should not be confused with, for example, with the Hungarian bow (the site below has photos of them all and explains the differences very well.

http://www.sevenmeadowsarchery.com/images.ihtml
View user's profile Send private message
Max Dunbar





Joined: 02 Jan 2010

Posts: 4

PostPosted: Mon 04 Jan, 2010 12:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Roger Hooper- I will definitely check that book out and also recommend it to the writer, thanks

Marko Susimetsa - This kind of stuff is immensely useful to me, thank you.

thanks guys, this kind of stuff is extremely helpful
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Lukasz Papaj




Location: Malbork, Poland
Joined: 09 Mar 2009

Posts: 59

PostPosted: Mon 04 Jan, 2010 2:09 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

To supplement the sevenmeadows site I would add Grozer - it is a site of manufacturer of bows mainly focused on hungarian style but have some mongol stuff in (see pictures). Mileage can vary, but I also found Gyula of turul.pl to be knowledgable about the subject. There is also polish site czambulik.pl, focused on nomad archery, there is a gallery of zekiers (thumbrings) from around the world there .
Lajos Kassai is one important name when comes to horsearchery, though again - hungarian and his technique is a mix of east and west, old and modern, still might be worth a look.
While most modern reenactors focus on archers, one need to remember that mongol armies have a strong core of heavy cavalry, that were succesfully used to break european heavy horse (at least in case of battle of Legnica (Liegnitz) - April 9, 1241)
Word of advice - check and doublecheck, as most nomad stuff floating around is either Hungarian, Turkish or Chinese.
View user's profile Send private message
James Arlen Gillaspie
Industry Professional



Location: upstate NY
Joined: 10 Nov 2005

Posts: 523

PostPosted: Tue 05 Jan, 2010 8:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Tibetan and Mongol armour are pretty similar. Check out the Metropolitan Museum of Art's publication, Warriors of the Himalayas.
jamesarlen.com
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Timo Nieminen




Location: Brisbane, Australia
Joined: 08 May 2009
Likes: 1 page
Reading list: 1 book

Posts: 1,492

PostPosted: Tue 05 Jan, 2010 12:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

James Arlen Gillaspie wrote:
Tibetan and Mongol armour are pretty similar. Check out the Metropolitan Museum of Art's publication, Warriors of the Himalayas.


Common elements in lots of Central Asian armours, and Tibetan armour is a late survival of the general style. Good armours and helmets in the book, it might be the best available book for pictures. Mail is a latecomer to eastern Central Asia, so those armours are not really relevant. IIRC, this is discussed in the text.

Robinson "Oriental armour" has a good brief description, but lacks pictures.
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Max Dunbar





Joined: 02 Jan 2010

Posts: 4

PostPosted: Tue 05 Jan, 2010 6:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Lukasz Papaj - thanks for the websites and advice. very helpful

James Arlen Gillaspie & Timo Nieminen - I will deffinetly check those books out, they sound excellent


thanks a ton guys.

if anyone has anything in regards to medieval rus and their clothing, armour and weapons I would also appreciate that... but you've all been more than helpful and I thank you.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Hisham Gaballa





Joined: 27 Jan 2005
Reading list: 7 books

Posts: 508

PostPosted: Wed 06 Jan, 2010 1:12 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Osprey books are usually a good source of basic information and can sometimes be a useful starting point (as long as you remember to keep a pinch of salt within reach):
http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Armies-...1855328488
View user's profile Send private message
Dariusz Dario T. W




Location: obamaland
Joined: 17 Feb 2007

Posts: 33

PostPosted: Fri 15 Jan, 2010 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Graphic Novel Research         Reply with quote

Max Dunbar wrote:
hello all.

I'm working on researching, and gathering reference for a graphic novel I may be illustrating (not writing) in the near future about the Mongol invasion of Europe, Rus in particular.

I've gotten some books out, but I'm going into this with little-to-no knowledge of the subject matter, and there is obviously a ton to learn.

I have gotten the impression that there is a wealth of extremely knowledgeable people on this board about such things,

I was wondering if any of you out there might point me towards some books, films, or websites that you can recommend, anything with pictures or illustrations is best (to see how armour, weapons are worn, etc)

I appreciate your time. thanks.

Hello
the best places to look are obviously Russian and Central Asian sources - the best book written and illustrated this far is the work of Russian scholar M.V. Gorelik - if you type in your google search his name and Mongols then most likely you
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&cli...mp;start=0
will get his images from several books he published, especially his watercolor illustrations for his 'Mongols Arms and Armour.' That book has also plenty of b&w drawings with equipment, and very detailed. But there are other researches in Russia, Poland and Ukraine that write about the Mongols, eg there is a book about Tatars of Golden Horde arms and armour by Witold Swietoslawski, in English, ARMS AND ARMOUR OF THE NOMADS OF THE GREAT STEPPE IN THE TIMES OF THE MONGOL EXPANSION (12-14TH CENTURIES) .
There is also this Russian magazine Zekhaus that has had many articles on the Mongols, Tatars, Kichaks, Polovci, Volga Bulgar and Rus warriors of the times in question.
Igor Dzis is another Russian artist whose work is outstanding and has roduced many Rus and stee warriors, and these are full of everything you need.
Russian and Mongols produced and directed recently this gorgeous movie on the early years of Temujin title the Mongol,
Polsh film makers produced some movies with Tatars, but they belong to later eras, and only one has 14th century Tatars titled 'Casimir the Great.'
Osprey- the battle of Kalka River is very good, but the ones by Turnbull are not so good and rather weak, as someone here said need to be taken with a lot of salt.

Finally, the Frenco-Belgian 'bede' industry produced several comics books on the subject of Ghengis Khan - most notably le Khan , five volumes of action packed storytelling, with lots of historic weaponry, material culture and landscapes of the steppes. For the Rus' fill there is this comic book on Alexandre Nevskii illustrated by Teng, a very good 'historic' comics.

also there is this exhibit catalog titled the Nomads of Eurasia and that can be very, very useful too.

"veni, vidi, Deus vincit"
Jan Sobieski, Rex Poloniae et Dux Lithuaniae

http://dariocaballeros.blogspot.com/


Last edited by Dariusz Dario T. W on Fri 15 Jan, 2010 12:39 pm; edited 1 time in total
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Max Dunbar





Joined: 02 Jan 2010

Posts: 4

PostPosted: Fri 15 Jan, 2010 12:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

thank you guys, you've been extraordinarily helpful, I will go about trying to acquire all the resources you have recommended. You've all been a huge help.

thanks again.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail


Display posts from previous:   
Forum Index > Off-topic Talk > Graphic Novel Research
Page 1 of 1 Reply to topic
All times are GMT - 8 Hours

View previous topic :: View next topic
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum






All contents © Copyright 2003-2018 myArmoury.com — All rights reserved
Discussion forums powered by phpBB © The phpBB Group
Switch to the Basic Low-bandwidth Version of the forum