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Michael B.
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PostPosted: Tue 29 Dec, 2009 1:43 am    Post subject: Ivory Hilted Daggers?         Reply with quote

Been going through the photo albums, but haven't turned anything up (though I have yet to go through all the images), but in the feature article about ballock daggers it's mentioned that the hilts were made up of wood, "horn, ivory, bone, and in much later designs brass and even agate." All sound interesting, but the one that really caught my interest was ivory. I've seen samples of cinquedeas with ivory, but that's it. Does anyone here have photos of medieval daggers with ivory? Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jan, 2010 2:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

So, I found a couple samples, at least one is ivory (the first picture), the dagger in the second picture has ivory looking slabs, but could be bone. These daggers are housed in the armoury of the Dukes of Burgundy. Does anyone have better photos of them? Or other samples of medieval ivory hilted weapons?




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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jan, 2010 9:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The hilt on this ear dagger appears to be ivory
http://www.futuremuseum.co.uk/images/cache/Img505S1000.jpg

I found it on this thread
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...nathan+ear

Beautiful dagger.

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jan, 2010 1:55 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

R D Moore wrote:
The hilt on this ear dagger appears to be ivory
http://www.futuremuseum.co.uk/images/cache/Img505S1000.jpg

I found it on this thread
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...nathan+ear

Beautiful dagger.


oh, you git!
you got there first Happy
(that is meant in the best possible sense of good humour, I hasten to add, my good sir.)


I was thinking "mm, got to post that really pretty ear dagger" as I was reading the first comment, and started scrolling down, only to see you'd beaten me to it.

It is a gorgeous peice, I've been looking at arranging to take exact measurements of it at some point, after I had a nice chat with the curators back in september, and maybe make an exact replica, as a thinly veiled excuse to practice of working on gold inlay, and using fossil mammoth Ivory for the plates...

( As if any one individual on this entire site of addicts needs an excuse for something as slinky and pretty as that. Happy )


though if the grip were a little bit smaller, I would be tempted to make a Goth (of the modern black velvets, not the germanic raiders type) version, and instead of ivory, do the plates in polished Whitby Jet and inlaid silver. Alas, I've never found peices of whitby Jet that big...
it is one of the very few ear daggers I've ever seen that I felt is really pretty. most of them are just plain ugly. And that's reason enough to make it, I think.


So, have an photo of the side profile, as it shows the beautiful gold inlay, and the really intriguing detail that is'nt shown in the original photograph, of the incredibly thick profile, and the taper in the steel core which is exposed in the sides of the grip.



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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jan, 2010 2:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Big Grin I'd like to see what you've made when you're finished if you'd publish it for us here.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jan, 2010 2:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

R D Moore wrote:
Big Grin I'd like to see what you've made when you're finished if you'd publish it for us here.


Unfortunately, like so many others, my workshop is sorely lacking in one peice of essential equipment for such production. Specifically, I have yet to find a manufacturer of industrial grade round toits who will supply me with stock.

if, someday, I do manage to get a round toit, I'll be happy to post up the results. Happy
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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jan, 2010 10:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That is a beautiful ear dagger, very intricate, Found another dagger here, looks like ivory. It looks quite overdone, especially with that sheathe.


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PostPosted: Sun 10 Jan, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The Wallace Collection A733

# Dagger
# Unknown Artist / Maker
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# Germany
# c. 1490 - c. 1510
# Steel, ivory, silver and gold, niello, etched and gilt
# Length: 30 cm, blade; Width: 3.2 cm; Weight: 0.3 kg
# Inscription: 'OMA I TEE.I EMEM'; Maker's mark
# A733
# European Armoury I

Photo and information Copyright The Wallace Collection



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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jan, 2010 12:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Wonderful example Nathan, thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
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