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Augusto Boer Bront
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Dec, 2009 7:53 am    Post subject: XIV cen arms protection         Reply with quote

Area: North Italy, Friuli Period:1320-1360 (I know, it's a period too long, but in the reenactment I partecipe the organizators don't know well which is the period we play)
Are this historically inaccurate?

http://www.medievalware.com/14th-Century-Knig...b0083m.htm

Edit: and what about this? http://www.medievalware.com/Milanese-Point-Ti...b0085m.htm
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Augusto Boer Bront
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Dec, 2009 9:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sorry for the links.
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Dec, 2009 9:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Second one is definitely ways too late for that period. First one might work.
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Augusto Boer Bront
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Dec, 2009 12:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

And what about this http://www.bestarmour.com/arm_harness_1.html Code: RH 1.4 There are holes on the cannons, why? They have to be fixed to the coters with rivets? The rebraces stand alone or they have to be fixed to the pauldrons?
And this http://www.bestarmour.com/leg_harness_1.html Code:NL 1.4
The holes on the cuisses need to fix them to the belt or so?

Sorry for the multiple post.
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Dec, 2009 12:55 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Augusto Boer Bront wrote:
And what about this http://www.bestarmour.com/arm_harness_1.html Code: RH 1.4 There are holes on the cannons, why? They have to be fixed to the coters with rivets? The rebraces stand alone or they have to be fixed to the pauldrons?
And this http://www.bestarmour.com/leg_harness_1.html Code:NL 1.4
The holes on the cuisses need to fix them to the belt or so?

Sorry for the multiple post.


Augusto,
The holes are for tying them to your undergarment(s) (also known as pointing) or occasionally a belt of some sort. The under garment (called an arming doublet in some periods and other names in other periods) would have laces with points at strategic places. Those laces would be passed through holes on the armour and tied. That is a very common way of securing armour.

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Dec, 2009 1:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

But are the things I posted right for the period?
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Dec, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Augusto Boer Bront wrote:
But are the things I posted right for the period?


They seem more appropriate to the last 1/4 of the century than the time period you're looking for.

Have you looked at period art for that time frame? Look at sites like www.gothiceye.com for effigies and brasses of the period.

Here is an effigy from 1379. It doesn't have solid arms and legs like you're looking at.


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Zac Evans




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PostPosted: Sun 13 Dec, 2009 1:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's a rather nice effigy:


With a gorgeous reproduction armour:


Such a harness is slightly later than your period, but is the kind of thing you might want to try from the examples you've been showing. The benefit would be that the large amount of textile armour would be relatively easy to make as long as you can sew. Much easier to learn than the skill of making good plate armour...
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PostPosted: Mon 14 Dec, 2009 7:29 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Augusto,

This site might be of use to you.

http://www.gothiceye.com/

Basically the articulated couter to rerebrace and vambrace appears around the mid 14th. While this is true the issue is that the different rerebraces, vambraces, couters, fans and lames change drastically even in the same time frame. I think looking at some effigies might give you some help in getting an idea what you are looking for.

Zac,

Wow that is a nice harness!

RPM
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Augusto Boer Bront
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PostPosted: Mon 14 Dec, 2009 8:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ah, remember that these protection are combined with a sugarloaf great helm.
http://www.gothiceye.com/popup.asp?Ref=KN033
1337, they are the same
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Zac Evans




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PostPosted: Mon 14 Dec, 2009 8:06 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Randall Moffett wrote:
Augusto,

Zac,

Wow that is a nice harness!

RPM


Shamelessly stolen from this website: link

I really should remember to give credit for all the photos I flash about.
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Felix R.




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PostPosted: Mon 14 Dec, 2009 8:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

He is asking for some Italian stuff, that is different from the English depictions in a way. the 3 Osprey books are good sources, as they cover the mentioned area and timeframe.
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