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Boris R.





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PostPosted: Sun 15 Nov, 2009 6:57 am    Post subject: helmet in a movie Il Mestiere Delle Armi         Reply with quote

i'm sorry if this is a wrong subforum (but this is about a historical movie)

anyway i wanted to know if Giovanni De' Medici's helmet he's wearing

HERE

HERE

HERE

and HERE

is a faithful reproduction, since all contemporary depictions of Giovanni delle Bande Nere has nothing to do with such a headgear piece

examples:

PIC 1

PIC 2

and my favorite PIC 3

ALSO if somebody know which armourer takes pride in making this movie prop (i.e. helmet) i would be very thankful for sharing this precious info, since this is a very beatiful and unique sallet

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Nov, 2009 11:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Given his time period (1498-1526) he would have probably worn an armet or a close helm, not a sallet. The rest of his armour, though, in the fourth pic you linked to, is remarkably good for "movie armour." I don't know if they were still wearing plackarts by 1520 but his harness looks really good - especially the rolled edges, the pauldrons and the elbow guards, three items that movie makers almost NEVER get right.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Nov, 2009 12:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Adam D. Kent-Isaac wrote:
Given his time period (1498-1526) he would have probably worn an armet or a close helm, not a sallet. The rest of his armour, though, in the fourth pic you linked to, is remarkably good for "movie armour." I don't know if they were still wearing plackarts by 1520 but his harness looks really good - especially the rolled edges, the pauldrons and the elbow guards, three items that movie makers almost NEVER get right.


thanks for answering Adam!

what i want to know next is, is it possible that a sallet with a long visor such as this ever existed, or is it just a movie producers' flight of fancy?

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Nov, 2009 3:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If i'm not wrong the consultant for the movie is a famous italian reenactor and weapons collector.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Nov, 2009 4:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Bruno Giordan wrote:
If i'm not wrong the consultant for the movie is a famous italian reenactor and weapons collector.


then a name would be greatly appreciated Wink

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Nov, 2009 9:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Giovanni's half-harness survives in il Museo Stibbert in Florence. His helmet was a bellows-visor armet. You can likely find pictures online if you search.
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Nov, 2009 6:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Greg Mele wrote:
Giovanni's half-harness survives in il Museo Stibbert in Florence. His helmet was a bellows-visor armet. You can likely find pictures online if you search.


sure, but i want a helmet just like that one in the movie not some bellows visor (bleah)

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Nov, 2009 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: helmet in a movie Il Mestiere Delle Armi         Reply with quote

Boris R. wrote:
i'm sorry if this is a wrong subforum (but this is about a historical movie)

anyway i wanted to know if Giovanni De' Medici's helmet he's wearing

is a faithful reproduction, since all contemporary depictions of Giovanni delle Bande Nere has nothing to do with such a headgear piece



While there may be historical features to it, I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say there is no historical piece like it. At least I've not seen any like it in my travels or studies.

Sallets with longer visors tend to be of bellows form or related form.

Also, looking at the movie stills, anytime you can see the actor's eyes that clearly, the eye slit is likely too big and not historical.

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