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Christopher Lee




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PostPosted: Wed 11 Nov, 2009 3:19 am    Post subject: Question about a sword         Reply with quote

Can anyone tell me more about this sword?
I found it in A Record of European Armour and Arms Vol IV, P.273. It states that it was part of the collection of J Seymour Lucas.
Does anyone know its dimensions, origin or have any better images of it?



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PostPosted: Wed 11 Nov, 2009 8:13 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

just from the shape it looks like it is probably one of the renaissance two-handers, as opposed to anything earlier or smaller, but perhaps someone who knows better will correct me.
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Nov, 2009 11:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Looks like a Scottish Lowlander two-handed sword, most popular IIRC 16th century . Similar to a continental two-hander of the time. The lack of parrying "hooks"/lugs on the blade, and the downturned quillons are distinctive. These usually have side rings on the guard. The pommel is often described as distinctive too, and it's the same type as seen on the Highland two-handed claymore.

Hanwei do a nice reproduction of one of these.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Nov, 2009 12:46 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

No one else got any ideas about it?

I agree, its probably a scottish lowlander style. Looks quite similar to the one that that hanwei version is based on, but as noted, no side rings.

Has anyone seen this one in any collections, museums, etc? I'm interested in the dimensions if anyone has them.

What happens to swords, do they just disappear into private collections, never to be seen again?
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Nov, 2009 2:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Christopher Lee wrote:
No one else got any ideas about it?

I agree, its probably a scottish lowlander style. Looks quite similar to the one that that hanwei version is based on, but as noted, no side rings.

Has anyone seen this one in any collections, museums, etc? I'm interested in the dimensions if anyone has them.

What happens to swords, do they just disappear into private collections, never to be seen again?


Sometimes, but artifacts tend to congregate towards museums rather then private collections these days. So instead of disappearing into private collections they instead disappear into museum storage...

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Nov, 2009 5:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Lowlander sword located in the Glasgow Museum. Item number: E.1939.hu



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PostPosted: Fri 13 Nov, 2009 10:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Christopher Lee wrote:

I agree, its probably a scottish lowlander style. Looks quite similar to the one that that hanwei version is based on, but as noted, no side rings.


I'm not certain it has no side rings. Cunning choice of angles to hide them - evil trick photography, with lighting to reduce contrast between sword parts. Well, maybe not so cunning; if you shoot so that the cross is right in the centre, and square to the camera, you'll hide them as well as possible.

The ones I've seen photos of look very similar, give or take a grip. I don't recall seeing this one anywhere else., but I've only seen a few, and there's the wonderful uncertainty of recall.
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Nov, 2009 6:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I hate to disappoint everyone, but it's not Lowland Scots of the 16th century. It's likely English and 15th century (though late 15th). Happy

It's mentioned and shown in a line drawing in Neil Melville's article "Towards the Identification of a Group of Fifteenth Century English Two-handed Swords" in the Eighteenth Park Lane Arms Fair catalogue.

According to the article it was supposedly found in a priory in Norfolk. Laking mentions 3 other similar swords, but doesn't illustrate them. While it bears a resemblance to later swords with side rings, it doesn't seem to have any.

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Nov, 2009 12:55 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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It's mentioned and shown in a line drawing in Neil Melville's article "Towards the Identification of a Group of Fifteenth Century English Two-handed Swords" in the Eighteenth Park Lane Arms Fair catalogue.


Anyone have a copy of this laying around perhaps?
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Nov, 2009 8:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Christopher Lee wrote:

Anyone have a copy of this laying around perhaps?


I have a copy of that catalogue. That's where I got the info for you from. Happy

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Nov, 2009 7:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Also, many of the Park Lane Catalogues can be purchased from the folks who edit it and put it together:

http://www.londonarmsfair.com/index.html

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