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Morgan Butler




PostPosted: Thu 20 Aug, 2009 10:20 am    Post subject: Del Tin 18th century Rapier.....         Reply with quote

Does any one know anything about the Del Tin 18th Century Rapier? Anyone own it or handle it who can give a review?


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JE Sarge
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Aug, 2009 11:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It seems like more of a small sword than a rapier. Could you post the stats please? I can't access the KoA webpage from my work computer. Happy
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Aug, 2009 12:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

JE Sarge wrote:
It seems like more of a small sword than a rapier. Could you post the stats please? I can't access the KoA webpage from my work computer. Happy


DT5182

Overall Length: 44 3/4'' Blade: 37''
Weight: 1 lb 11.9 oz
Edge: Unsharpened
P.O.B.: 3 5/16''
Thickness: 4.5 mm - 2.5 mm
Width: 21mm
Grip Length: 3 1/4''
Pommel: Peened

The hilt is longer than the typical smallsword, especially the finger rings. It looks like you can actually get your finger completely inside them, which you often can't do with a smallsword. The blade is also longer with a fuller.

I'm inexplicably drawn to this sword - I bet it's fast



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PostPosted: Thu 20 Aug, 2009 12:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

JE Sarge wrote:
It seems like more of a small sword than a rapier.


Its one of those cases where terminology is very vague. The word "rapier" was often used in the 18th century to describe smallswords.

Many modern scholars use the word "smallsword" to describe the smaller 18th c. swords, and "rapier" to describe the larger ones. In places such as Italy, larger ones seemed to be more common, and likely used techniques that were somewhere between 17th century rapier and 19th century classical fencing techniques.

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Morgan Butler




PostPosted: Thu 20 Aug, 2009 1:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I've found with smallswords from the first half of the 18th cen, that I can put my finger thru the pas de ans on them. However this sword is definately in the style of a 'transitional rapier" from the late 17th cen, which happens to be my favorite type of sword
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Aug, 2009 2:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It's definately interesting; thanks for the info/clarification, you learn something new every day. Big Grin

Would you plan on removing the brass safety tip or leaving it for practical fencing use?

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Aug, 2009 3:59 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Good question. I might take off the brass tip to put a bird blunt on it for fencing. On the other hand, I wonder about a pienned pommel. I think it would start to come loose after some intense bouting. For practice weapons I like something that can be easily adjusted and or taken apart.
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Aug, 2009 5:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I handled one, and liked it enough to want it pretty bad Cool
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Aug, 2009 7:46 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Morgan Butler wrote:
Good question. I might take off the brass tip to put a bird blunt on it for fencing. On the other hand, I wonder about a pienned pommel. I think it would start to come loose after some intense bouting. For practice weapons I like something that can be easily adjusted and or taken apart.


I can't vouch for this particular model, but I used to own the DT5181:
http://www.myArmoury.com/review_dt5181.html


This was used for quite a lot of smallsword fencing by me for awhile, and eventually was sold to a student who still uses it. While I agree, it'd be nice to be able to replace the blade for whenever the day comes that it needs it, so far its held up surprisingly well, with no signs of loosening. On the flip side, I've also had Del Tins that have come loose after very little training, but that was from several years ago, and I don't know if things have changed or not.

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