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Nathan F




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PostPosted: Fri 31 Jul, 2009 11:12 am    Post subject: finding a messer         Reply with quote

hi all
as the title suggest im looking for a messer for practice with so it needs to be blunt durable and historically accurate.
also i dont know a huge amount about the role these weapons played and their historical influence can anyone help me out.
also i would love to find some sort of resource so that i can look at the variants of these weapons.
thanks for your time and help
regards,
nathan

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PostPosted: Fri 31 Jul, 2009 11:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Use the search function and you'll find tons of material. Here's a nice video:

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PostPosted: Fri 31 Jul, 2009 4:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I've been looking at these, but I'm undecided:

http://www.alcheminc.com/messersword.html

Their rapiers are on the heavy side, so I'm hesitant to buy one without handling it first.

Jim
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PostPosted: Fri 31 Jul, 2009 8:08 pm    Post subject: Check this out         Reply with quote

Hi Nathan,

What about this:

http://www.swords.pl/index.php5?page=Product&...mp;lang=en (I refer to product '7013, the bottom piece).

Although it's labelled 'Cutlass XV c.', but the blade length and the blade shape makes it looks like a 'messer' too, in my opinion (but I'm a novice in this arena)

Big Grin
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David Teague




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PostPosted: Fri 31 Jul, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello All,

My group ordered 6 nice aluminum trainers from Walter Neubauer in Germany <walter.neubauer@freenet.de>.
He makes them for the group Ochs and if I'm not mistaken the pair used in the Ochs DVD was made by Walter.

At first we thought we wanted blunt steel for our training weapons too, but now we are quite happy with our trainers.

His prices are quite fair, he has more than one model to choose from and a fair number of options to choose from. He had ours ready in less than a month.

Drop him an e-mail.

Cheers,

David Teague

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Aug, 2009 7:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here in Germany quite a few people have and use the Aluminium Messer, they stand up quite well. The newer models are even lighter and better balanced. I got mine last year, which was of the older variety. But it is still a nice piece.
http://www.trainingsschwerter.de/shop/catalog...ucts_id=42
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Aug, 2009 2:21 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

i also have an Aluminum Messer from Walter and I'm very satisfied with it...

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Olov Tidemalm





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PostPosted: Mon 03 Aug, 2009 11:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I don't know accurate they are. http://heronarmoury.co.uk/index.php?page=swords/m/falchion
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PostPosted: Wed 05 Aug, 2009 5:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

i have heard high praise of the aluminium ones but would rather steel
also does anyone have any knowledge of these weapons historically??? thats very important

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Aug, 2009 9:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Peter Johnson and Bill Grandy are greatly knowledgeable on the subject.

There's also a thread here. I think I killed it, but it has great info inside.

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David Teague




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PostPosted: Wed 05 Aug, 2009 9:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nathan F wrote:
i have heard high praise of the aluminum ones but would rather steel
also does anyone have any knowledge of these weapons historically??? thats very important


That's what we thought too, as our other training swords are blunted steel (longsword, arming sword, small sword, Basket hilted Broadsword, saber) but the messer lends it's self to aluminum better than any other type of sword I've handled.

Add in the fact that most messer fencers either have wood, nylon , or aluminum nobody with let you hit their training tool with a steel blunt. Makes training solo forms. Sad

Cheers.

DT

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David Teague




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PostPosted: Wed 05 Aug, 2009 9:41 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Felix R. wrote:
Here in Germany quite a few people have and use the Aluminium Messer, they stand up quite well. The newer models are even lighter and better balanced. I got mine last year, which was of the older variety. But it is still a nice piece.
http://www.trainingsschwerter.de/shop/catalog...ucts_id=42


Walter told me he's made over 600 aluminum trainers so far. Eek!

That's a few.

Cheers,

DT

This you shall know, that all things have length and measure.

Free Scholar/ Instructor Selohaar Fechtschule
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"Yea though I walk through the valley of death, I will fear no evil: for Thou's sword art is with me; Thy poleaxe and Thy quarterstaff they comfort me."
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