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PostPosted: Fri 19 Jun, 2009 9:28 am    Post subject: Rondel dagger on Tinkerswords.com         Reply with quote


Specifications:
OAL: 16-5/8 inches
Blade Length: 11-3/4 inches
Blade Width @ Base: 3/4 inch
Blade thickness at base: .262 inch
Hilt OAL: 4-7/8 inches
Handle Length: 4-5/8 inches
Rondel Diameters:
Lower (Base of blade:) 1-1/2 inches
Upper (tip of handle:) 1-5/8 inches
COG: 5/8 inch from Base of Blade
Single-edged Rondel dagger in the style of daggers from the 12th-16th C. The triangular section blade is 5160 spring steel and is convex ground with a rolled edge. Blade is heat-treated and Marquenched to HRc 58, with the shoulder, spine and tang drawn selectively to approx. HRc 45-48. The Rondels are Brass. The handle is Osage Orange wood and is carved in a 'writhen' pattern. The brown leather scabbard is of traditional form with the throat expanded to envelope the lower rondel.

This style of dagger was very popular throughout the Medieval period for it's simplicity and utilitarian design. The very stout single-edged blade with it's wedge-shaped cross-section was well-suited to piercing light armors, and the rondels flanking the handle kept the hand firmly in place when stabbing with or withdrawing the dagger. The blade can also be used as a short baton for trapping and controlling techniques as shown in "Fior dei Battaglia" written in 1409.

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Jun, 2009 4:48 pm    Post subject: rondel         Reply with quote

Very elegant, nothing overdone,clean lines....nice. I don't have a rondel..yet....JC
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I like that one.
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PostPosted: Wed 24 Jun, 2009 12:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Finally got the scabbard finished and got pictures up!
http://www.tinkerswords.com/2009023DaggerwSc1.jpg
http://www.tinkerswords.com/2009023DaginSc1.jpg
http://www.tinkerswords.com/2009023DaggerwSC2.jpg

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Jun, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Very, very nice rondel. I love the scabbard too. How does this hang from a belt? Is there a suspension in back that we can't see?
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PostPosted: Wed 24 Jun, 2009 11:16 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Tim Lison wrote:
Very, very nice rondel. I love the scabbard too. How does this hang from a belt? Is there a suspension in back that we can't see?


Nope- I always wear this type thrust through the belt, and the expanded throat keeps it from slipping through. I honestly don't know how the ones that were suspended worked; I could only speculate that there were ties affixed to the back of the scabbard.

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jun, 2009 12:14 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

As far as I am aware, they do tie to the belt. Nice work; don't know how I missed this thread.

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jun, 2009 3:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Michael Pearce wrote:
Tim Lison wrote:
Very, very nice rondel. I love the scabbard too. How does this hang from a belt? Is there a suspension in back that we can't see?


Nope- I always wear this type thrust through the belt, and the expanded throat keeps it from slipping through. I honestly don't know how the ones that were suspended worked; I could only speculate that there were ties affixed to the back of the scabbard.


Don't know historically for sure but some sort of leather tong or loop might have been used ? But the way I would do it is to slip it behind a belt and use a belt tong as a " safety line " looped around the belt: I do this with my cell phone carrier i.e. use a safety line as backup to the spring clip.

In period art it does seem that the rondels are pictured as hanging from a loop in some cases ? Maybe both methods were used alone or in combination ?

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jun, 2009 7:29 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I've seen representations from in-period with the dagger hanging from a loop, thrust through the belt or simply shown with the scabbard outside of the belt- presumably tied to it with ties on the back of the scabbard. I don't know the precise attachment of the loop or the ties; I could make a pretty educated guess based on the contemporary sheaths of other knives, but as I said it would be a guess.
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