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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun, 2009 1:56 pm    Post subject: windlass bar mace         Reply with quote

hello, I recently ordered the bar mace by windlass steel crafts I wanted to know if anyone had one and what they thought of it also does anyone know about it's use in history I've never heard anything about them before, thanks
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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun, 2009 2:07 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I've seen one like this in an Italian museum catalog. I don't recall which one, though.
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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun, 2009 2:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mace, d'arme, c. 1300-1350
Roma, OD 669

The dimensions are 750mm (29.5" long) x 55mm (2.17" wide) and the weight is 1430g (3.2 pounds)



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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun, 2009 3:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I've been wanting to grab up one of these since they first started offering them, I've failed in doing so....Aaron could you post up owner photos and what you think of it?
Thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun, 2009 3:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's a review of it. No pictures, but good info.

http://sbgswordforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?...hread=3850
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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun, 2009 4:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

thanks for the review, and I'll be sure to post some pictures it should come in tomorrow interesting
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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun, 2009 6:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That looks suspiciously like a "star picket" used by road workers and industrial gardeners here in Australia. I once got hit with one when working as a bouncer, and I can vouch first hand as to their efficacy. One with a proper place to grip would most likely be even more dangerous.
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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun, 2009 9:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nathan Robinson wrote:
Mace,, d'arme, c. 1300-1350
Roma, OD 669



Nathan, thanks for the great pic.

Have you got any further information about the mace? Dimensions / weight etc?

What book is the pic from?

Thanks

Danny
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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun, 2009 9:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Danny Grigg wrote:
Nathan, thanks for the great pic.

Have you got any further information about the mace? Dimensions / weight etc?

What book is the pic from?


You're welcome. I was curious if anyone would say anything. Sometimes I wonder if people are more interested in reports of people smashing cinder blocks than they are in the history of these objects.

The image is from Armi Bianche. I've added additional info to the post above.

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun, 2009 9:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nathan Robinson wrote:
Danny Grigg wrote:
Nathan, thanks for the great pic.

Have you got any further information about the mace? Dimensions / weight etc?

What book is the pic from?


You're welcome. I was curious if anyone would say anything. Sometimes I wonder if people are more interested in reports of people smashing cinder blocks than they are in the history of these objects.

The image is from Armi Bianche. I've added additional info to the post above.



I'm always interested in the history of weapons, particularly non-sword related weapons as they rarely get a mention by anyone.

There's a line drawing of a similar mace in the book "European Weapons And Armour by Ewart Oakeshott".

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun, 2009 9:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Danny Grigg wrote:
I'm always interested in the history of weapons, particularly non-sword related weapons as they rarely get a mention by anyone.

There's a line drawing of a similar mace in the book "European Weapons And Armour by Ewart Oakeshott".


I would wager it's the same mace. They're both in Rome and it looks like Oakeshott illustrated the very mace shown above. Nice find!

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun, 2009 10:46 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here is a quote from "European Weapons And Armour by Ewart Oakeshott".

"There is in the Odescalci Collection in Rome a most interesting mace of aberrant form, like a rather graceful club forged in steel with a little finial at its head shaped as a truncated cone reversed, and a small spherical button at the end of the narrow, shaped grip, illustrated in figure 13. This is a rare example of such a mace, though several are to be seen in Italian paintings of the fourteenth century-notably a fresco by Giotto in the Cappella della Scrovegni, Padua (c. 1303-1305), and a predella by Giovanni di Bartolomeo Christiani (c. 1367-1393) in the Metropolitan Museum, New York. It seems to have been a type of weapon confined to Italy, used probably only during the fourteenth century, since no representations of it exist later than Christiani's predella."

Please forgive any spelling errors.

Danny

PS - does anyone have photos / pics of the two painting mentioned by Oakeshott? I'm going to check out the Met's website now......
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun, 2009 8:10 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nathan do you have a translation of that second image
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun, 2009 8:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

39./40
Arms Mace, c. 1300-1350
Rome, OD 669

Rod handle, with a spheroid pommell and body long and tight, formed by four flanges crossed, lightly ricurved and flared to the point, where is closed by a trunched square pyramid, peeled and knocked over.
(750 x 55; 1430)
The mace is very similar to that illustrated in fig. 38 and to the mace gripped by "The Fortitude" painted by Giotto in the Scrovegni's Chapel of Padova ca. 1303-1305, where this virtue defend herself behind an high palvese. A similar mace, but more complicated, it's that in the third plank of the "The Death of Saint Sebastian", painted in the 1367 by Nicoletto Semitcolo in Pavia's cathedral (a).

I hope it's all correct!


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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun, 2009 8:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Fortitude.


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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun, 2009 2:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

thanks for the translation Gabriele, that image of the lady holding the mace makes me wonder if it was a weapon kept in households in case of an attack or something but I could be all wet
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Aaron Morris wrote:
thanks for the translation Gabriele, that image of the lady holding the mace makes me wonder if it was a weapon kept in households in case of an attack or something but I could be all wet


The painting is of Fortitude (the character trait); it's not a representation of your average medieval lady or something. Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun, 2009 4:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nathan, thanks once again for posting the photo from Armi Bianche. That book is a treasure trove for great pics, now if only someone would re-release it and translate it into English so the rest of us could purchase a copy.

Gabriele, thanks for the translation.

Sean, where did you find that pic?
I don't suppose you've got pics of the "Predella by Giovanni di Bartolomeo" or "The Death of Saint Sebastian by Nicoletto Semitcolo"?

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Jun, 2009 4:04 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I just got it in yesterday its nice and hefty I'm quite shocked about how much power it has though its quite interesting, I was also surprised a bit on the size I knew how long it was gonna be but it didn't really register i guess. i also noticed in a review about its handle being uncomfortable to hold and at first it felt a bit weird but after handling it a while i like how the handle feels anyway here's some pics of the beastie


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bar mace next to 12 inch bushman knife for scale
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PostPosted: Sat 13 Jun, 2009 4:40 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Man- that is really long!

Seems like it would be really unwieldy- but can a mace really be "wieldy" anyway. . Happy

Does it look overly modern- with signs of casting and such?
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