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Ed S.




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PostPosted: Sun 03 May, 2009 6:08 pm    Post subject: My custom scabbard for an Albion Allectus         Reply with quote

Hey guys. So, I know that this is nothing exciting for all of you out there, but I thought that I would chronicle my first attempt at making a scabbard for my Albion Allectus. I have three new Albions coming my way and, since I cannot justify having a scabbard made for each one by someone who actually knows what they are doing, I thought that I should learn how to make my own. I have gained all of the information that I needed to do this from the people here at this wonderful site, so thank you Happy.

So far I have only completed the core for my scabbard. I made it out of two slats of 1/4" poplar. I carved out the inside by hand with a chisel and hand plane. The hand plane did not work so well, so most of it was hand chiseled and sanded down. That took about four hours.

Next, I made sure that the fit was right (snug at the last couple of inches, but still easy to take out), and then I glued the pieces together with some Elmer's wood glue. I let that cure overnight (so difficult to wait for that) and sanded it down to shape when I got home from work. That took about five hours more. Now, the shape is not as perfect as I would like. When you look at the pictures, you will notice that one side is not as straight as the other. While this severely annoys me, I am somewhat comforted by the fact that it was made completely by hand, so perfection may not be reasonable. Not bad for a first try I think, here are some pics:







So now, I need to figure out where to go from here. My initial thought was to cover the core with leather and then find or make some fittings for it. However, I now think that a bare wood scabbard may look very nice if I am able to match the color of the guard and pommel. I have been attempting to accomplish this for a couple of days now with no real luck. The guard and pommel are walnut and I doubt they are stained (just highly buffed). I had another though of creating some inlays made of walnut and leaving the rest bare. Anyway, I'll update this thread when I get to the next step. Any advice from you guys is always appreciated.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 May, 2009 8:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

On the surface so far, looks great. Your call of course, but I've been hoping someone would try something other than the normal red & "overdone with excess brass" roman scabbard. I eventually will, but takes me forever to decide & do anything, so happy to see someone with more energy doing something.

And glad to see your allectus pommel & guard look like mine (quite a lot lighter than alb site pics). Sorry I haven't tried it yet, but fwiw I am hopeful that linseed oil will darken more like site. Don't necessarily listen to me (I know little), just mentioned because you talked about matching them.

Also fwiw, if you might care about roman larp, I think generally advises to avoid stains.

Most of all, thanks very much for sharing & look forward to your updates.
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PostPosted: Mon 04 May, 2009 12:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply Carl. I honestly am not a big fan of the way that gladius scabbards are normally done. I am going to take my time so that I don't make any hasty decisions (really don't feel like making another core).
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PostPosted: Mon 04 May, 2009 3:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Personally, I'd call that a practice blank (damn good one at that) and try to grab up some walnut for a pure wood core. An Albion deserves more than a stained scabbard Razz

If you're going to stay with that, however, go for the leather cover with metal fittings. Sand it down a bit more so that the outward facing part of the leather lies flush with the guard for bonus points.

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Ed S.




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PostPosted: Mon 04 May, 2009 11:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

M. Eversberg II wrote:
Personally, I'd call that a practice blank (damn good one at that) and try to grab up some walnut for a pure wood core. An Albion deserves more than a stained scabbard Razz

If you're going to stay with that, however, go for the leather cover with metal fittings. Sand it down a bit more so that the outward facing part of the leather lies flush with the guard for bonus points.

M.


Yeah, I don't think I would be happy with a simple stained scabbard. I thought about making the core out of Walnut, but as it is a hard wood I was a bit afraid that I would have a very hard time carving it out by hand. The poplar was hard enough...

So many options, thanks M.
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PostPosted: Tue 05 May, 2009 7:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Just as a by the by, someone a few years back made a core out of walnut and then had problems with the wood staining the blade. I don't recall all of the details, but that was the general gist of it. I remember being quite surprised at the time although perhaps I shouldn't have been. Take the anecdotal report for what it is worth. Happy
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Jo Thomas




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PostPosted: Tue 05 May, 2009 8:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Russ Ellis wrote:
Just as a by the by, someone a few years back made a core out of walnut and then had problems with the wood staining the blade. I don't recall all of the details, but that was the general gist of it. I remember being quite surprised at the time although perhaps I shouldn't have been. Take the anecdotal report for what it is worth. Happy

Slightly off-topic, but walnuts also stain. It tends to come out purple-ish depending on what you've mixed your walnuts with. I used to have a good potato salad recipe that involved (greek-style) yoghurt and chopped walnuts. If it wasn't eaten quick, people used to get turned off by the colour.

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PostPosted: Tue 05 May, 2009 9:26 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Russ Ellis wrote:
Just as a by the by, someone a few years back made a core out of walnut and then had problems with the wood staining the blade. I don't recall all of the details, but that was the general gist of it. I remember being quite surprised at the time although perhaps I shouldn't have been. Take the anecdotal report for what it is worth. Happy


This is correct. You would need some kind of fleece or perhaps rough leather for the interior (reccomend the fleece) if you want walnut.

You could also seal it with some kind of varnish (the interior), but I've never tried this.

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Ed S.




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PostPosted: Tue 05 May, 2009 1:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well, good to know guys, thanks. I checked out the local Tandy leather store and they seem to have a good / lb price...but you have to by 12-13 lbs Sad. I suppose I will have to make more scabbards in the future...
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PostPosted: Tue 05 May, 2009 2:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

M. Eversberg II wrote:

You would need some kind of fleece or perhaps rough leather for the interior (reccomend the fleece) if you want walnut.

You could also seal it with some kind of varnish (the interior), but I've never tried this. M.


Aged walnut (10 years + from a dry barn/ woodworker) is not all that bad. It is the new steam cured/ de-sapped walnut that tends to have the most issues with sap when heat cured and used all within just a couple of years of time after the tree was felled.

I initially had a walnut core that I kept an Albion Crecy Great stored in full time for roughly 9 months. I never noticed corrosion issues with an oiled blade kept in it for around 9 months before I decided to make a "better" more slimmed down core out of poplar wood.

There was a previous post a couple of years ago of a forum member's uncovered walnut scabbard that he had carved Saxon style raised carving scroll work on. One of the premium Albion custom scabbards is also clearly stated as walnut. You could probably get second and third opinions on rather the issue is just inherent to the walnut versus how the walnut was cured. If you think about it, walnut is a material preferred by many for life time contact with oiled metal in applications such as grips, gun stocks, etc. It does require reasonable preparation for the application though.

Boiled linseed oil is very cheap by the quart. A couple of light coats (allow around 3 days X coat #, between successive coats, and between last coat and gluing) should work on aged walnut if you are careful to keep it off of glue seam areas. I would brush it with linseed oil at least twice. I prefer the wool strip lining myself. I would not use any green/ young wood simply as a matter of craftsmanship.

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