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Matt Easton




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PostPosted: Wed 22 Apr, 2009 6:42 am    Post subject: Online combat treatises 1300-1945         Reply with quote

Dear all, we have created a simple resource for people to locate combat treatises online:

http://www.fioredeiliberi.org/phpBB2/index.php?c=6

This resource is going to be constantly updated, so please feel free to contribute to it.

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Matt

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Reinier van Noort





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PostPosted: Wed 22 Apr, 2009 8:13 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Matt,

Great Resource! One for the Bookmarks!

Still not having an account on your forums, I would like to point you at this:

http://jfgilles.club.fr/escrime/bibliotheque/petter/index.html

They have larger scans of the images of Petter, and they have the original text pages as well (which of course is way more valuable than a translation Razz ).
The linked site has more manuscripts (linked) here:
http://jfgilles.club.fr/escrime/bibliotheque/
But you likely have those (and possibly this site itself) already on your list!

See you soon, and don't forget; If wars were won by feasting, or victory by song...

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Julien M




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PostPosted: Wed 22 Apr, 2009 8:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hey Matt,

Great ressource indeed!

Thanks a lot for sharing.

Cheers,

Julien
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David E. Farrell




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PostPosted: Wed 22 Apr, 2009 8:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

cool - thanks!

one little nit to pick:

De Arte Luctandi - Florius (Fiore) c.1410 - um, as far as I have read (unless something very recent has changed this), most Fiore researchers feel this was produced long after Fiore's time (based on the artwork and a few other factors). Possibly post 1450, and closer to Vadi's works.

I'd be interested to find out if this view has changed.

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Matt Easton




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PostPosted: Wed 22 Apr, 2009 9:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello, I am a Fiore researcher, as you'll find out on our website. The armour shown in 'Florius' is certainly not from 1450, it is early-15thC.
Nobody knows the date of the manuscript yet and only 3 people I know of have studied the manuscript 'in the flesh'.
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Matt
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David E. Farrell




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PostPosted: Wed 22 Apr, 2009 9:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Matt Easton wrote:
Hello, I am a Fiore researcher, as you'll find out on our website. The armour shown in 'Florius' is certainly not from 1450, it is early-15thC.
Nobody knows the date of the manuscript yet and only 3 people I know of have studied the manuscript 'in the flesh'.
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Matt
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fair enough - I went back and read the SFI thread from shortly after this 'came to light'.

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Dariusz Dario T. W




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PostPosted: Wed 22 Apr, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

gentlemen,
I have a question - any of these manuals listed in those two forums deal with training for mounted combat - lance, sword, sabre etc?
by the way some wonderful art and print making!

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David E. Farrell




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PostPosted: Wed 22 Apr, 2009 10:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Dariusz Dario T. W wrote:
gentlemen,
I have a question - any of these manuals listed in those two forums deal with training for mounted combat - lance, sword, sabre etc?
by the way some wonderful art and print making!


The treatises by Fiore Dei Liberi (at least the Pissani-Dossi/Novati, Getty and Florius) deal with mounted combat as well as unmounted, armoured and unarmoured. This would be from an early 15th C Italian tradition. I think a few of the German treatises do as well (Paulus Kal springs to mind), but I am not very familiar with them, to be honest.

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Reinier van Noort





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PostPosted: Thu 23 Apr, 2009 2:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Matt; you also seem to be missing this one. It's a Dutch rapier manual from 1671. That's about all I know about it though.

http://www.umass.edu/renaissance/lord/pdfs/Bruchius_1671.pdf

There's more pdfs from this site here:

http://www.umass.edu/renaissance/lord/collection.html

I don't know if there's more there you don't have

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Matt Easton




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PostPosted: Fri 24 Apr, 2009 7:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks mate!

Matt

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