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Fernando P




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PostPosted: Wed 28 Jan, 2009 11:27 am    Post subject: 13th century warrior/knight non-typical clothes over armor         Reply with quote

Hello everybody!
I need your help again, I have seen most knights have a typical clothes and colors as Cruzaders, Templars, Hospitalers, etc. But I have seen for example this (it is 14th century) but I guess it could be a good example:



It seems like a jerking or some leather chaquet, some of them dress heraldics. I want to know if you have more of those examples, probably from 13th century. Also, I want to know if were heraldics dressed.

Thank you all!
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James Barker




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PostPosted: Thu 29 Jan, 2009 10:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I am afraid that art is early 15th century and everything in it is typical to that era. None of it would apply to the 13th century. They are also likely to be silk or wool and not leather at all.
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Elling Polden




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PostPosted: Thu 29 Jan, 2009 1:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The garments in the picture are late versions of the surcote, adapted to wear over a breastplate. They are pretty standard in late 14th century art and effigies.
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Alessio J. Orlandi




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PostPosted: Fri 30 Jan, 2009 6:16 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

both style, armour and garments look like end of 14th century. First column depicts popes. I can't remember by now of having seen any heraldics on surcoats in 13th century images.
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