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Etienne Hamel




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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jan, 2009 11:40 am    Post subject: science of combat         Reply with quote

i saw something that i was very impressed of (the strengh of the body is completely awesome +the weapon comparison). i dont know if anyone on this site saw it but check it out : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_fW_gwAI9k
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Douglas S





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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jan, 2009 12:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I think that this was on originally as "Fight Science" - at least in the States.
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Bill Tsafa




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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jan, 2009 8:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for posting this. I just watched the whole series.

-I was impressed with the power of the boxers punch at 1,000 lbs. More then any other style.
-I was impressed with Mui Tai knee to the chest power. More then any other leg strike.
-I was impressed with the ninja death hammer. I would have though that total B.S.
-I liked how they tested and stressed the importance of reaction time.
-I expected what I saw from the Grappling.
-I expected what I saw from the staff weapons.
-I expected what I saw from the whip weapons. I have fought against flails and find them to be a one shot weapon.
-I was a little annoyed at the over-glorification of the katana. I suppose its fair because they focused mostly on Asian arts.


Very much worth watching.

No athlete/youth can fight tenaciously who has never received any blows: he must see his blood flow and hear his teeth crack... then he will be ready for battle.
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Gabriele A. Pini




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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jan, 2009 11:40 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'm the only one that found natgeo always a little not historically correct? Like they focus a bit too much in what the people expect to see, not what really is...

I prefer much more The History Channel...
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Bill Tsafa




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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan, 2009 6:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Gabriele A. Pini wrote:
I'm the only one that found natgeo always a little not historically correct? Like they focus a bit too much in what the people expect to see, not what really is...

I prefer much more The History Channel...


I think that their focus is more to awe the common person.

I just focus on the testing and results. At least 80% of the show was objective testing and result discussion with a little background info thrown in. That makes it worthwhile. The other 20% of it was choreographed entertainment stuff and subjective opinions that can be disregarded.

No athlete/youth can fight tenaciously who has never received any blows: he must see his blood flow and hear his teeth crack... then he will be ready for battle.
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Max Chouinard




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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan, 2009 7:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I cannot say it was objective. The tests were highly biaised, as the calculations didn't took account of the mass of the contenders, their experience and equipment. Two people are not going to hit with the same power, it's a fact. The taekwondo guy nearly had the same result has the boxer... even if one trains more the feet and the other more the fists... No wonder the kung fu practitionner had lesser results, I mean look at his size. As for the katana, except for Obata sensei (who righfully refused to cut the gel) it was nonsense. The whole show would have been interesting in it's own right if they didn't thought necessary to declare a "winner" each time.
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Etienne Hamel




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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan, 2009 8:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The thing is that its impressive to see the body's limits when it is trained hard its not really a comparison of the different martial art because all of the matial art have its strong points and weak points there is no thing such the perfect martial art.

As for the katana i think of why they classed it as the perfect weapon, hard to break, light weight and easy to control...

For the rest its urs to think
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A.A. Boskaljon




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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan, 2009 9:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I stopped watching when they said "martial arts were born in eastern tempels"
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Douglas S





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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan, 2009 10:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

They have to fit into a 1/2 hour or one-hour show, results have to appear to be conclusive and visually appealing.
The old cliche with documentaries was the final phrase was always: "One thing's for certain..."
In other words, it has to be more watchable than a history lecture. Happy

I see it as entertainment.
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Gary Teuscher





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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan, 2009 10:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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They have to fit into a 1/2 hour or one-hour show, results have to appear to be conclusive and visually appealing.
The old cliche with documentaries was the final phrase was always: "One thing's for certain..."


I guess it would not be as entertaining as a show about 10th-13th century crossbows, where they would say "and due to the lack of any finds, we really have no idea, but this is our best guess" Big Grin

One thing that many of these type of documentaries seem to have in common -

The Katana was the best hand weapon

The longbow was a revolutionary weapon never really used before, and a "superweapon"

There were little or no Western hand to hand martial arts styles, it all cam from the East.

Aside from that, sometimes you can actually glean some usable information from them.
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