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Antonio Lamadrid





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PostPosted: Sun 09 Nov, 2008 9:35 am    Post subject: European bladesmiths         Reply with quote

Usually in this forum there is plenty of comments and news on American high quality sword manufacturers, like Albion or A&A. This makes sense given the fact that most members are American. I have always thought, however, that myArmoury lacks information on Europeans bladesmiths, with some exceptions, like Chad Arnow's views on Arma Bohemia, and the reviews on some of their works.

It would be nice to have some input on their quality, customer service, ... I will tell you now what little I know about a few of them. If anybody has had any experience with any of these, or another one that it is not on this list, share it, please.


Paul Binns' could be regarded as my re-enactor group's "official swords". They are tough as nails, and nobody that I have spoken to has ever had any problem with Paul. Recently there was a thread about his work, which showed some disagreement.

http://www.paul-binns-swords.co.uk/

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...mp;start=0

Pavel Moc. I have heard conflicting reports on his swords, both happy (the majority) and regretful owners. I have handled a Forrer, which did not impressed me too much, and fought with an Embleton, which is nice, but maybe a bit light (it reminded me of the awful Hanwei Practical One-and-a-half).

http://www.swords.cz/enindex.html

Del Tin. I have only held his Lombard Sword. Very pretty (I am partial to ring-hilt swords), but a bit overweight. I think in this case it could be forgiven, as Migration Era swords are supposed to be somewhat unbalanced.

http://www.deltin.net/elenco1.htm

Comparing them in quality terms with NG Albions, they all three lose in my opinion. Though it should be taken into consideration that they are cheaper products.

Other bladesmiths:

http://www.castlekeep.co.uk/products.php
http://www.templ.net/english/
http://www.kp-art.fi/jt/index_eng.html
http://www.armart.antiquanova.com/
http://www.stgeorgearmoury.co.uk/index.html
http://www.swordcutler.com/index_en.php
http://www.sword.cz/swords.htm
http://www.sword-gur.com/
http://www.miecze.pl/index.php5?page=AboutProducts&lang=en

There is a thread going on now about Viktor Berbekucz.
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=14656


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Tony Peterson




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PostPosted: Sun 09 Nov, 2008 11:25 am    Post subject: Re: European bladesmiths         Reply with quote

Antonio Lamadrid wrote:

http://www.paul-binns-swords.co.uk

http://www.miecze.pl/index.php5?page=AboutProducts&lang=en


I own 2 Binns swords and Im very happy with them. One of them has a nice custom inlay, pics can be seen in the "Your last sword" thread. They are very well balanced and behave more like an extension of your arm than a sword.

I also own 2 ARMA swords which although not as well balanced as the Binns are excellent value for money. I own a Langsax (Cat 2134) and Viking sword X-XI c. (Cat 2123). Very tough indeed.

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PostPosted: Sun 09 Nov, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Donīt forget the German smiths. Two come to mind:
Stefan Roth at http://www.seelenschmiede.de/
and Arno Eckhardt at http://www.dietraumschmiede.de/
Both of them have an excellent reputation, and I think they are on the same level as John Lundemo or Michael Tinker Pearce.
There are others, one just has to look.

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Tony Peterson




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PostPosted: Sun 09 Nov, 2008 12:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Peter Rieder wrote:
Donīt forget the German smiths. Two come to mind:
Stefan Roth at http://www.seelenschmiede.de/


Ive been meaning to visit Stefan for a while now, he lives in the same town as my girlfriend. I should really try and arrange a meetup

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PostPosted: Sun 09 Nov, 2008 1:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

www.kovex-ars.cz

Not the highest quality swors but they sell nice starter swords for a very nice price Happy
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PostPosted: Sun 09 Nov, 2008 1:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Del Tin swords used to be pretty commonly encountered here in the US, due to their being imported (at the time) by Museum Replicas Limited. Even so, there are still a few DT importers (Albion imported them for a while; Art Elwell still does). As noted, DT swords do tend to be heftier than they should be, but most models are not "grossly obese" or too far out of line for the upper end of historical weights. I have that "Lombard" sword, I don't feel it is overly heavy, rather the blade forward balance does tend to make it feel heavier than it is (IIRC, it's about 2.75 lbs).

Another European maker not mentioned yet is Lutel ( http://www.lutel.cz/ ). I've only handled a few pieces by Lutel. One, a Katzbalger, was, like the Del Tin swords, a bit heavier than it should have been, but it still handled fairly well. Lutel also makes some very nice scabbard and belt arrangements.

And yet another maker is Arm Art ( http://www.armart.antiquanova.com/ ). They do make a nice sword -- however, they have a notoriously slow turnaround time on orders (usually going long beyond the initially projected time of completion), and communications is not their strong suite.

Armour Class ( http://www.armourclass.co.uk/ ) is based in Glasgow, Scotland. They are well-known for their Scottish-style swords such as basket-hilt and two-hand claymores (naturally), but also produce lines of Viking-era, medieval, and later swords, and they do custom orders as well. I have a couple AC basket-hilts and IMHO they are the best "semi-production" basket-hilted swords on the market. I have not handled their other styles, but they look nice in the pictures....

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PostPosted: Sun 09 Nov, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My goodness, I forgot to mention one of the very best, Peter Johnsson! Shame on me!

Not his page, but some of his creations are shown.

http://bjorn.foxtail.nu/hand_eng.htm
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PostPosted: Sun 09 Nov, 2008 3:06 pm    Post subject: Re: European bladesmiths         Reply with quote

Antonio Lamadrid wrote:
Usually in this forum there is plenty of comments and news on American high quality sword manufacturers, like Albion or A&A. This makes sense given the fact that most members are American. I have always thought, however, that myArmoury lacks information on Europeans bladesmiths, with some exceptions, like Chad Arnow's views on Arma Bohemia, and the reviews on some of their works.


On our reviews page, you'll find reviews of pieces by the following European makers:

Armour Class
Del Tin
Lutel
Arma Bohemia
Armour and Castings
Castle Keep
Arms+Armor Manufacture
Jiří Klepač
K + K Art
Peter Johnsson
Tod's Stuff
Pavel Moc
Partrick Barta/Templ
Vladimir Cervenka

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PostPosted: Sun 09 Nov, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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Pavel Moc. I have heard conflicting reports on his swords, both happy (the majority) and regretful owners. I have handled a Forrer, which did not impressed me too much, and fought with an Embleton, which is nice, but maybe a bit light (it reminded me of the awful Hanwei Practical One-and-a-half).


Hmm... That's good to know. I borrowed and used a Pavel Moc training weapon for some time and absolutly loved it. I recently bought the Albion Liechtenauer and found them to be quite comperable, thus I figured all the swords would quality wise be quite similiar. I was thinking about purchasing a Pavel Moc I guess I will hold off for a while until I have seen some of their other weapons.

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PostPosted: Sun 09 Nov, 2008 3:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Antonio Lamadrid wrote:
My goodness, I forgot to mention one of the very best, Peter Johnsson! Shame on me!

Not his page, but some of his creations are shown.

http://bjorn.foxtail.nu/hand_eng.htm


Does Peter Johnsson have a webpage of his own? I haven't been able to find one.

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PostPosted: Sun 09 Nov, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Addison C. de Lisle wrote:
Antonio Lamadrid wrote:
My goodness, I forgot to mention one of the very best, Peter Johnsson! Shame on me!

Not his page, but some of his creations are shown.

http://bjorn.foxtail.nu/hand_eng.htm


Does Peter Johnsson have a webpage of his own? I haven't been able to find one.


Apart from Bjorn's old site and some stuff on the Albion site, Peter doesn't seem to have much of a web presence, which is a shame.
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PostPosted: Sun 09 Nov, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Pity; it'd be really nice to have someplace to go to drool over his work in one place. Laughing Out Loud
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Nov, 2008 5:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I completely forgot to post Pavel Marek here, from the Czech Republik. Good price for the quallity he delivers. Some would say that his swords are a bit heavy. He also does custom work.

http://www.armorymarek.com/
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Nov, 2008 12:06 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Addison C. de Lisle wrote:

Does Peter Johnsson have a webpage of his own? I haven't been able to find one.


Not yet, but as far as I know he is thinking about it.... when he gets some time
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Nov, 2008 2:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Also from Czech Republic are Kasto

http://www.kasto.org

There swords seem to be quite nicely balanced when I tried a few swings at the recent Warwick market, cant vouch for the quality but they are good looking & fairly priced.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Nov, 2008 2:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Folks !

The german smiths are hard to get a hold of. I have wirrten emails to both and never even got a reply.
Even though the quality of their products is reportedly quite good , but only what i heared and red.

For German smith there is still :
http://www.axonderschmied.de/cms/

I have found communications with lutel to be difficult.From what i have heared and read their blunts are very solid and lot of "ompf" for the money. While their sharps are a bit too beefy and heavy. Prices do seem very fair.

Kovex Ars i have heared and seen both extrems. Very good and very bad. I would strictly vote against buying online, as - at least in the past- they have had huge variations on length and wieght. Might be ironed out with their new site and resetup. But if you have the option i suggest to buy only live from them.

Castle Keep is on my to get list if i ever save up enough money. Rob Miller does awesome work and from what i have read and heared his communication and customer service are excellent.

The StGorgeArmoury i never got an email reply. Not sure whats wrong.

Armourclass. Well, i have heared a lot of good things but, i would suggest to try to handle a few pieces first. I own their claymore and i am not all too happy with it. My very personal opinion only of course.

I think its great to see a collection of the euopean companies. 350 USD shipping from the US is quite a turn off :/

Best regards

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Antonio Lamadrid





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PostPosted: Fri 14 Nov, 2008 3:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Three more:

http://www.schmiede-balbach.de/

http://www.hephestus.net/spade%20e%20pugnali.htm

http://www.bronze-age-craft.com/
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Nov, 2008 7:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Adam Rudling wrote:
Also from Czech Republic are Kasto

http://www.kasto.org

There swords seem to be quite nicely balanced when I tried a few swings at the recent Warwick market, cant vouch for the quality but they are good looking & fairly priced.


I have expirience with one of the wred-grip swords from this smith. I hit the sword once, to test it and it was completele bend. It was a horible useless sword.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Nov, 2008 8:12 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Klaus Gimm wrote:
The StGorgeArmoury i never got an email reply. Not sure whats wrong.


How long ago did you e-mail Mark? He sometimes takes a week or so to get back to me, especially during his busy periods. I know the past three weeks he's been grinding away getting things ready for TORM this weekend (A very large reenactment trading fair).
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PostPosted: Sat 15 Nov, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Klaus Gimm wrote:
Hi Folks !
Castle Keep is on my to get list if i ever save up enough money. Rob Miller does awesome work and from what i have read and heared his communication and customer service are excellent.

The StGorgeArmoury i never got an email reply. Not sure whats wrong.
Klaus


I have to second this opinion about Rob Miller (CastleKeep) who is really great to deal with and whose customer service is excellent.

Regarding StGeorgeArmoury maybe the issue is with spelling Gorge for George ?
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