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Boyd C-F




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PostPosted: Fri 31 Oct, 2008 12:56 am    Post subject: This helmet...         Reply with quote

Hello Gentleman

I'm interested in making this helmet (please see attachment) for 1350s onwards -- so what does anyone know about this helmet?

I've seen a lot of repros on websites but have never seen any originals

I'm thinking of going for a riveted top on the sides as in the top image of attachment - not just cos its easier to make Wink

Please bless me with your wisdom!! Happy

Cheers

Boyd



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PostPosted: Fri 31 Oct, 2008 1:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Such helmets are quite often seen in period illustrations, but, as usuall, surviving examples from this time period are few and far between. I belive that something like that is on display in Malborg castle (Poland).

As for making i - it is a very nice helm to start your armouring career with as the primary form is simple enough and if made properly it makes a decent looking helm. Essentially, you will have a helm consisting of 4 parts - two halves of the brim, top and side. Just make sure to use apropriately sized rivets and that you should start with making the top, then add side plate to it and then make the brim and do not forget to add enough allowance for riveting when you make the parts.

Anyways, best of luck with the project.
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Jeff Kaisla




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PostPosted: Fri 31 Oct, 2008 6:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

http://www.armourarchive.org/patterns/kettle_helm_jurgen/

Heres a link for the patterns for a domed one....might give you some insights how to proceed with yours.
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Boyd C-F




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PostPosted: Fri 31 Oct, 2008 8:59 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks very much!

Boyd
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James Barker




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PostPosted: Mon 03 Nov, 2008 7:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That style of kettle helm is Bohemian in nature and really is found from 1400 on; it is not a 14th century helm as far as I have ever seen. It good for Polish, German, Swiss, or Hussite troops but a bad example for French, English, or Italian troops.
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Nov, 2008 7:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

One more thing - the ammount of rivets on the image is way much more than really necessary for the helmet - sure, you can add them for decorative vallue, but really, it is not needed to use quite so many for structural purposes.
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Mark Hanna





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PostPosted: Wed 05 Nov, 2008 9:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You do see them in French art from the 15th century booth on the carvings on the Stadhuis in Leuven and the Four Ceasars tapestries made for charles the bold. I like that style of helmet.

Mark
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