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Igor Zeler




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PostPosted: Mon 23 Jun, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Bascinet klappviser         Reply with quote

I am looking any information about klapvisier on photo above. Probably Germanisches Museum Nurnberg, but I am not sure about that.
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PostPosted: Mon 23 Jun, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I don't know that piece, but it's amazingly similar to another one from Germany (I'll attach the picture below).


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PostPosted: Mon 23 Jun, 2008 2:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thorkil has just made a fine replica of a very similar one: http://thorkil.ovh.org/swiss_klappvisor_eng.htm

He could give you some information about the original that he used.

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Jun, 2008 12:14 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Both me and Igor know these two bascinets:
Hugh your is from Deutsches Historisches Museum and it's dated on 1350-1370 ( I'm sending another picutre of it).
The Thorkil replica is based on Klappenvisier from Valeria in SittenSion (Swiss).
And the one Igor posted - I'm sure it's from Nurenberg but's all I know about it.



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Igor Zeler




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PostPosted: Tue 24 Jun, 2008 4:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Paul Mortimer
Thorkil made that klappvisier for me... He made perfect helmet!

Klappvisier from Deutsches Historisches Museum lost during the II World War.

I have photos skulls of klappvisier found in Wroclaw (Bresslau):



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PostPosted: Tue 24 Jun, 2008 11:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You are a very lucky man, Igor. It is a beautiful helmet!!!

Paul
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PostPosted: Fri 27 Jun, 2008 2:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The klappvisor is exactly from Nurnberg Germany National Museum! The visor near to the helmet is thought to be from another similar helmet.

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PostPosted: Fri 27 Jun, 2008 2:25 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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Igor Zeler




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PostPosted: Fri 12 Sep, 2008 6:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Stanislaw
I think that helmet is not klappvisor. It can be similiar to the bascinet with a nose cover which was found in Sandomierz or another one found in Vistula near to Plock.
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Sep, 2008 7:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Visor:
Germanisches Nationalmuseum, Nuremburg, Germany
Inventory Number: W1567
Date: 1350-1400.
Publications: The Knight and the Blast Furnace. Alan Williams (p. 341)

Bascinet:
Germanisches Nationalmuseum, Nuremburg, Germany
Inventory Number: W1271
Date: 1350-1375.
Publications: "Plate Armour in Germany" in A Collection of Tracts on European Armour. Sir James Mann. (Fig. 2) The Knight and the Blast Furnace. Alan Williams (p. 340)

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jul, 2010 6:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi
I am looking any information about this klapvisier. Especially I need another photos (en face etc).



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Mihai Ionita




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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jul, 2010 10:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That ain't a Klapvisor, for starters. That is a hound's skull.

The Klapvisors were rather flatter and lacked the pointed snout.
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jul, 2010 11:13 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mihai Ionita wrote:
That ain't a Klapvisor, for starters. That is a hound's skull.

The Klapvisors were rather flatter and lacked the pointed snout.


Not correct. Klappvisier refers to the attachment not the snout shape. Centrally hung visors, whether snouted (houndskull) or rounded, are called klappvisier. You can have a snouted visor with central mount (klappvisier) or side pivots. The rounded ones are more often centrally hinged than not, but there are always exceptions. But the snout shape and mounting method don't have to go together. Don't confuse the mounting terminology with the snout terminology. Happy

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Mihai Ionita




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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jul, 2010 11:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ah. That just goes to prove, you live and learn.

Thank you for the academic takedown, Chad. Razz
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jul, 2010 2:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Does the non-houndskull bascinet visor have a name? I always call them shovel-faced bascinets but I have no idea if that's correct.
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jul, 2010 2:53 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Globose?
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jul, 2010 4:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The problem is that you have a large number of types of visors, both in general design and how they attach to the helmet itself. You have the pig nose, shovel faced and globose models and more.

Some one really needs to make a typology for bascinets....

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