Info Favorites Register Log in
myArmoury.com Discussion Forums

Forum index Memberlist Usergroups Spotlight Topics Search
Forum Index > Off-topic Talk > Real, high quality Ninja swords... Reply to topic
This is a standard topic  
Author Message
Rusty Knorr




Location: Seattle, WA USA
Joined: 08 Jun 2006

Posts: 17

PostPosted: Sun 06 Jan, 2008 11:15 am    Post subject: Real, high quality Ninja swords...         Reply with quote

Greetings all! Being the proud owner of an Albion Crecy has taught me the difference in quality between real swords and the junk that is out there. My question for you is, does anyone know where you can buy a real, high quality Ninja sword? Something of the quality of Albion or A + A, not the cheap stuff you usually see. Thanks for the advice! -Rusty Knorr
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
J Anstey





Joined: 21 Jul 2007

Posts: 233

PostPosted: Sun 06 Jan, 2008 4:39 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi there,

You will need to qualify what you mean by a real ninja sword. If you mean the typical straight sword with the square tsuba (guard) as seen in many hollywood movies then be aware that they are not historically accurate.

Without getting into the whole debate, there are some example of chokuto swords that look similar to the hollywood types but they are rare and expensive and it would ne very unlikely to have been used by a ninja.

THe best choice in my opinion would be a katana or wakizashi. A reasonable - non japanese reproduction will cost you upwards of $600.00 and then much much more.

Set a budget and then I am sure that you will get some good recommendations.

Cheers

Jason
View user's profile Send private message
Michael Curl




Location: Northern California, US
Joined: 06 Jan 2008

Posts: 486

PostPosted: Sun 06 Jan, 2008 9:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

How would a ninja get his hands on either of those? I thought they were only made for samurai and nobles?
E Pluribus Unum
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
Gabriel Lebec
myArmoury Team


myArmoury Team

Location: NY, NY
Joined: 02 Oct 2003
Reading list: 32 books

Posts: 419

PostPosted: Sun 06 Jan, 2008 10:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Michael Curl wrote:
How would a ninja get his hands on either of those? I thought they were only made for samurai and nobles?

Wakizashi were common and could be worn by all levels of society for self-defense. In the Edo period (1600-1868) the lower classes sometimes wore short swords while traveling, and the merchant class is said to have worn elaborately (sometimes ostentatiously) mounted wakizashi as symbols of their wealth. Katana on the other hand became formally and legally restricted to the upper classes during the Edo period; before that, sword ownership was less universally controlled.

I encourage you to read the following article by Dr. Takeuchi: Was Chonin Class in Edo Period Allowed to Wear/Carry Swords?.

Anyway it is important to note that some historical "ninja" were samurai to begin with (sort of a special forces unit), and even those who were not were either employed by daimyo or else counter-samurai. They wouldn't be worried too much about the legal ramifications. As to actually procuring longer weapons, I'm sure there were ways... a locally employed smith, illegal secondhand trade, etc.

To answer Rusty's original question: Jason is right, there is not really any evidence to suggest that historical ninja used any form of straight sword (or even any special form of sword at all). The extensive topic of ninja myths is a bit too off-topic and complex for this thread though, so suffice it to say that if you wanted a high-quality custom sword made to match the myth, it would be possible, albeit ahistorical.

"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of true art and true science." - Albert Einstein
________
View user's profile Send private message
Sam Barris




Location: San Diego, California
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
Likes: 4 pages

Posts: 619

PostPosted: Mon 07 Jan, 2008 4:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Rusty,

I'd suggest you look at Bugei Trading Company for a high quality production katana.

Gabriel,

This might be stretching the topic, but perhaps a kodachi might be suited to what he's looking for? I don't remember the exact dimensions the law allowed for civilian carry. Under two shaku sounds about right, but I can't remember exactly. Does anyone make kodachi that you know of, or are they essentially identical to wakazashi? I thought they tended to have a slightly longer tsuka for some reason, but I admit my memory is a bit fuzzy here.

Pax,
Sam Barris

"Any nation that draws too great a distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards, and its fighting done by fools." —Thucydides
View user's profile Send private message Yahoo Messenger
M. Eversberg II




Location: California, Maryland, USA
Joined: 07 Sep 2006
Reading list: 3 books

Spotlight topics: 1
Posts: 1,435

PostPosted: Mon 07 Jan, 2008 4:21 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There's quite the discussion on what weapons ninja would have used, if any, on these boards and Sword Forum International. I'd check those out if you're interested.

M.

This space for rent or lease.
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger ICQ Number
Bob Burns




Location: South Indianapolis IN
Joined: 09 Sep 2005
Likes: 1 page
Reading list: 112 books

Posts: 1,019

PostPosted: Mon 07 Jan, 2008 4:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Rusty, Ryan the owner of Kult of Athena has a few very high quality Chinese swords made by Hanwei, one in particular the "Song Sword" which is folded pattern steel and whistles with the slightest energy of the cut. Here are some links to particularly nice swords all of which I have wielded in the store. I live very close to Kult of Athena.

http://www.kultofathena.com/product~item~SH20...+Sword.htm <~~~~Song Sword

http://www.kultofathena.com/product~item~SH20...+Sword.htm <~~~Han Sword

http://www.kultofathena.com/product~item~SH20...+Sword.htm <~~~ Ming Sword

http://www.kultofathena.com/product~item~SH22...i+Jian.htm <~~~Qi Jian Sword

I don't know if these are anything particularly like what you are looking for but they are all of outstanding quality!
The Song Sword is my favorite and the pattern steel of the blade is so beautiful!

I hope this helps.

Bob
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Corey D. Sullivan




Location: Canada
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Reading list: 12 books

Posts: 73

PostPosted: Mon 07 Jan, 2008 10:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sam Barris wrote:
Rusty,

I'd suggest you look at Bugei Trading Company for a high quality production katana.

Gabriel,

This might be stretching the topic, but perhaps a kodachi might be suited to what he's looking for? I don't remember the exact dimensions the law allowed for civilian carry. Under two shaku sounds about right, but I can't remember exactly. Does anyone make kodachi that you know of, or are they essentially identical to wakazashi? I thought they tended to have a slightly longer tsuka for some reason, but I admit my memory is a bit fuzzy here.



I believe you are correct. I have heard that Shinobi would sometimes carry a shortened katana in a normal length saya, so as to be able to draw their weapon quicker and catch an opponent off guard. While sheathed, the sword would look like any normal katana.

Oni Forge makes one, but you'd better hurry if you want it. Looks like they're going under.



http://www.oniforge.com/3201.html

I own one of these style swords, (Oni forge as well, though a mono-tempered one) and it handles very quickly.

"He had scantly finyshed his saienge but the one armye espyed the other lord how hastely the souldioures buckled their healmes how quikly the archers bent ther bowes and frushed their feathers how redely the byllmen shoke their bylles and proved their staves redy to appioche and loyne when the terrible trotnpet should sound the blast to victorie or deathe."
View user's profile Send private message
William M




Location: Buckinghamshire , England
Joined: 01 Dec 2004
Reading list: 7 books

Posts: 258

PostPosted: Mon 07 Jan, 2008 1:45 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Rusty,

Depending on your price range you may want to consider asking the Zheng-wu forge in China to build you one. I was looking into the possibility of buying a tang dao, and im sure if you ask they would create a ninjato for you.

http://www.zheng-wu.com/
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
George Hill




Location: Atlanta Ga
Joined: 16 May 2005

Posts: 614

PostPosted: Mon 07 Jan, 2008 2:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Corey D. Sullivan wrote:

I believe you are correct. I have heard that Shinobi would sometimes carry a shortened katana in a normal length saya, so as to be able to draw their weapon quicker and catch an opponent off guard. While sheathed, the sword would look like any normal katana.

Oni Forge makes one, but you'd better hurry if you want it. Looks like they're going under.

.


Corey is right. Ninja would either carry the sword everyone else had, or atleast something which looked like what everyone else had.

Ninja were NOT "samurai." Ninja were.... Ninja became warrior class at a specific point in Japanese history (in a move by the Shogun to gain the loyalty of a particular group of ninja) but were never exactly 'normal' samurai. More properly they were Bushi, and even then only after a certain point. Before that they were "technically" lower class, who would dress up as whoever they pleased. Which was quite often as a samurai, but could also be something else. If they were dressed as say, a traveling gambler or a merchant, they might carry any number of staves with something hidden in the end, but that's another topic.

What they would not carry is anything which would give them away as ninja on a casual inspection.... like a straight bladed sword.

There is a theory going aorund that the myth of the stright bladed ninja sword comes from a western student of Hatsumi, who got a stright blade made, becuase that would not be considered a 'real sword' by the japanese sword price laws, and he could therefore afford it, when he couldn't afford a 'real' sword. (Even though it might be made by the same guy.)

A friend of mine has an Oni forge shinobi katana, and is extremely fond of it.

To abandon your shield is the basest of crimes. - --Tacitus on Germania
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address Yahoo Messenger
Anders Backlund




Location: Sweden
Joined: 24 Oct 2007

Posts: 629

PostPosted: Wed 09 Jan, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

J Anstey wrote:
Hi there,

You will need to qualify what you mean by a real ninja sword. If you mean the typical straight sword with the square tsuba (guard) as seen in many hollywood movies then be aware that they are not historically accurate.

Without getting into the whole debate, there are some example of chokuto swords that look similar to the hollywood types but they are rare and expensive and it would ne very unlikely to have been used by a ninja.


Though, if he simply wants something in the same style of a stereotype "ninja sword", perhaps a Tang Dao is to consider?



It's actually a Chinese sword, but it definitely looks like a nintou, no? Wink
View user's profile Send private message


Display posts from previous:   
Forum Index > Off-topic Talk > Real, high quality Ninja swords...
Page 1 of 1 Reply to topic
All times are GMT - 8 Hours

View previous topic :: View next topic
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum






All contents © Copyright 2003-2018 myArmoury.com — All rights reserved
Discussion forums powered by phpBB © The phpBB Group
Switch to the Basic Low-bandwidth Version of the forum