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Gavin Kisebach




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PostPosted: Wed 28 Nov, 2007 9:49 pm    Post subject: Look what i stumbled upon...         Reply with quote

I'm not sure how to describe this adequately. This German site has combed through a bunch medieval manuscripts, an painstakingly categorized specific objects such as guitars, chausses, or axes. It's a bit tricky if you don't sprache deutsch, but from my initial findings this may be a treasure trove of images.

I recognized images from the Codex Manesse, as well as the Maciejowski Bible.

http://www.tempora-nostra.de/tempora-nostra/s...php?id=300
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Nov, 2007 10:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Awesome find. The topfhelm one has a medieval facepalm if I ever saw one!

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Gavin Kisebach




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PostPosted: Wed 28 Nov, 2007 10:12 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

hah! Big Grin

This is definitely a work in progress, and there are some duplications, but it's very ambitious. I salute their efforts.
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov, 2007 9:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I found these illustrations interesting. The technique used for tying a slot and split belt scabbard suspension was not at all as I had anticipated. It appears to me that one split portion is pulled through a single slot while the second is looped over and pulled through both slots. Does this mean that the sword and scabbard are supported basically by the friction and tight fit of the belts passed through each slot without benefit of a knot of any type?

I’m not really a fan of this type of suspension so I don’t own one. Perhaps one of you more learned and experienced 10th century guys could enlighten me somewhat?



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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov, 2007 12:10 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That is not the only way of tying the suspension. One method looks like a shoe tie, but with a single loop. This is the method I use.


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James Holczer




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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov, 2007 7:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Robin Smith wrote:
That is not the only way of tying the suspension. One method looks like a shoe tie, but with a single loop. This is the method I use.


It would appear that your half bow technique of tying off the split belt would be a far more secure. The other way pictured doesn’t seem tied well enough to provide the security that would be required for an active warrior of the 10th and 11th centuries. Thanks for the info.

The reason I’m curious about this issue is because I’m starting to develop an interest in acquiring a good type X blade and I’m curious about possible period scabbard and suspension systems for such a weapon. As I mentioned I was never a big fan of that type of belt but the idea of a period appropriate type X and suspension is growing on me.

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov, 2007 11:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

James Holczer wrote:
Robin Smith wrote:
That is not the only way of tying the suspension. One method looks like a shoe tie, but with a single loop. This is the method I use.


It would appear that your half bow technique of tying off the split belt would be a far more secure. The other way pictured doesn’t seem tied well enough to provide the security that would be required for an active warrior of the 10th and 11th centuries. Thanks for the info.

The reason I’m curious about this issue is because I’m starting to develop an interest in acquiring a good type X blade and I’m curious about possible period scabbard and suspension systems for such a weapon. As I mentioned I was never a big fan of that type of belt but the idea of a period appropriate type X and suspension is growing on me.

Jim Holczer
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Maybe the artist couldn't render that properly with paint?

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov, 2007 7:46 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nein Sprechen Sie Deutsch, but I was born in Landstuhl, Germany while my dad was serving his time in the U.S. Army after college. Thank you Gavin so much for this website, I've bookmarked it!

Sincerely!

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov, 2007 11:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This is a great resource! I think most people would be interested in these options:

Schwert (sword)
Schwert Schwertscheide (sword & sword sheath/scabbard)
Schwerter (swords i.e. pics with multiple sword in them)
Schwertgürtel (sword belts, although technically can be translated as sword girdle)
Schwertgehänge (sword suspension)
Schwertgurt Schwertgehänge (sword belt and suspension)
Schwertscheide (sword sheath/scabbard)

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Dec, 2007 8:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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