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Kyro R. Lantsberger
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 Posted: Fri 13 Apr, 2007 6:20 am Post subject: Anyone watching The Tudors on Showtime? |
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I really dont like these cable series often, and part of it is needless softcore porn, but the characters are very, very well presented and acted. I was afraid that Thomas More in particular would be made into a sop (having been made a saint, after all) but I am happy to see his character written and acted as a robust man of true honor.
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Im wondering about the weapons and armor. The series is gorgeous to look at with the costumes and sets, etc, but it looks to me that some of the weapons are mismatched, and I think I spotted a couple rapiers on hips that really didnt emerge for many years until after Henry.
Am I off on this? Anybody else watching and noticing?
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Allen Andrews
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| Posted: Fri 13 Apr, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: |
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I haven't seen it yet, although I do have a DVD release in my blockbuster.com queue...
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Joe Fults
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| Posted: Fri 13 Apr, 2007 9:10 am Post subject: |
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I'll let you know in a few years when I can rent it someplace!
:-)
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Nathan Robinson
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| Posted: Fri 13 Apr, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: |
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I'm watching it. So far it's pretty enjoyable. The arms, armour, and costumes are inaccurate and misplaced. The armour during the tilt, in particular, made me cringe as it was not only from a completely different era, it wouild have been very ineffective for the tilt! They were jousting with bare arms and legs, no gauntlets, and, and.. it doesn't matter.  I wouldn't expect something like this to be well researched. It's entertainment for the masses and, as I've said, I've found it pretty enjoyable so far.
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Michael Edelson
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| Posted: Fri 13 Apr, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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I may be insane, but I tuned into that show (or I think it was that show) and at first it seemed fine, but then two of the characters played some sort of modern indoor racket ball type sport. I am not on any medication, so what was I seeing?
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Bryce Felperin
Location: San Jose, CA Joined: 16 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri 13 Apr, 2007 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Michael Edelson wrote: | | I may be insane, but I tuned into that show (or I think it was that show) and at first it seemed fine, but then two of the characters played some sort of modern indoor racket ball type sport. I am not on any medication, so what was I seeing? |
Actually tennis is a very old sport that might of been practiced back in the Tudor era. If you rent the old versions of the "Three Musketeers" movies (the ones with Michael York) you can also see them playing tennis in one of those movies as well. Whether this is totally historically true I really don't know, or to tell you the truth, really care to research. Wikipedia didn't have any satisfactory answers either. :-)
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Nathan Robinson
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| Posted: Fri 13 Apr, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Michael Edelson wrote: | | I may be insane, but I tuned into that show (or I think it was that show) and at first it seemed fine, but then two of the characters played some sort of modern indoor racket ball type sport. I am not on any medication, so what was I seeing? |
Adding to what Bryce said above: Tennis is quite old. When visiting London I saw the royal tennis court at Hampton Court. It was built for Henry VIII who used it from 1528 onwards.
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Michael Edelson
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| Posted: Fri 13 Apr, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Nathan Robinson wrote: | | Michael Edelson wrote: | | I may be insane, but I tuned into that show (or I think it was that show) and at first it seemed fine, but then two of the characters played some sort of modern indoor racket ball type sport. I am not on any medication, so what was I seeing? |
Adding to what Bryce said above: Tennis is quite old. When visiting London I saw the royal tennis court at Hampton Court. It was built for Henry VIII who used it from 1528 onwards. |
But was it indoors, with safety netting for the audience??
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Joe Fults
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| Posted: Sat 14 Apr, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Michael Edelson wrote: | | Nathan Robinson wrote: | | Michael Edelson wrote: | | I may be insane, but I tuned into that show (or I think it was that show) and at first it seemed fine, but then two of the characters played some sort of modern indoor racket ball type sport. I am not on any medication, so what was I seeing? |
Adding to what Bryce said above: Tennis is quite old. When visiting London I saw the royal tennis court at Hampton Court. It was built for Henry VIII who used it from 1528 onwards. |
But was it indoors, with safety netting for the audience?? |
Maybe medieval tennis balls had sharp metal spikes on them to make the sport interesting!!! 
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Nathan Robinson
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Michael Edelson
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| Posted: Sat 14 Apr, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Nathan Robinson wrote: | | Michael Edelson wrote: | | But was it indoors, with safety netting for the audience?? |
Yes. The courts at Hampton court are indoors and have safety netting. The netting that is there now is, of course, a recreation but is all hand-tied even now. |
That is quite interesting.
However, the Tudors is so full of ridiculous and incorrect costumes and props that there is little doubt the tennis court they show bears little resemblance to what the real one looked like...unless that just happens to be the one thing they got right.
My favorite part are the Pakistani swords.
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Kyro R. Lantsberger
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| Posted: Tue 17 Apr, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: |
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Im glad I wasnt alone in some of this. The Pakistani swords and such are distracting to those of us with this hobby. The script, cast, and acting I think are quite good for the series. Too bad some of the physical details are off.
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Sam Barris
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If you'll recall, tennis balls were mentioned in Shakespeare's Henry V.
| William Shakespeare wrote: | We are glad the Dauphin is so pleasant with us;
His present and your pains we thank you for:
When we have match'd our rackets to these balls,
We will, in France, by God's grace, play a set
Shall strike his father's crown into the hazard. |
Were those balls the insult that let to the invasion and the subsequent battle at Agincourt? I've never actually heard a definitive answer to that. It's a good story anyway. If we trust the Bard, that would put tennis over a hundred years earlier. 
Pax,
Sam Barris
"Any nation that draws too great a distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards, and its fighting done by fools." —Thucydides
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Bruno Giordan
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The tennis you are talking about was actually its ancestor, the french jeu de paume,italian pallacorda.
L\'ancêtre direct du tennis
1415. Conséquence de la bataille d\'Azincourt, le duc d’Orléans est emprisonné pendant deux décennies en Angleterre. À l’occasion de cette captivité à Wingfield dans le Norfolk, le duc introduit en Angleterre le jeu de paume qu’il pratique quasi quotidiennement. Quatre siècles plus tard, le descendant du chatelain de Wingfield, Walter Clopton Wingfield, invente le tennis en adaptant le jeu de paume sur herbe. Le tennis prend d\'ailleurs au Royaume-Uni le nom Lawn Tennis (tennis sur herbe) tandis que le jeu de paume est désigné sous le nom Real Tennis.
See
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallacorda
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeu_de_paume
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jeu_de_paume.jpg
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