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I did not see a forum for living history so I think it is ok to post my questions here. I'm trying to get a Rus trader/viking outfit together. I'm working on making some of the poofy pants. My question is though since those end at the knee what did they wear on the lower leg? Just some stockings? I know they wore the leg wraps in the winter but it does not get cold enough wear I live to even wear something like that in the winter. So any input will be well appreciated.
Here´s an example of a rich Viking trader, it is based on findings from Birka, Hedeby and York.

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Link to pictures and patterns.

If you click on the links under the picture you will find patterns of the garments in Pdf.
Only in swedish but i think you will manage. ;)
Hi

I live in the sub-tropics and wear pants of that style. If you use pure wool or linen they will be fine, they actualy breath quite well. There is no set pattern to these pants, we can only assume there cut. The originals found ( Corking rags from memory) were to badly damaged to make out a pattern.
There are some suggestions that the pant finishes below the knee and a stocking is worn over the calf which is held up by thonging looped through eyelets on the pant seems.

Cheers

Nick
Thomas Sundquist-Nilsson wrote:
Here´s an example of a rich Viking trader, it is based on findings from Birka, Hedeby and York.

[ Linked Image ]

Link to pictures and patterns.

If you click on the links under the picture you will find patterns of the garments in Pdf.
Only in swedish but i think you will manage. ;)


Man that is one terrific website, some of the most realistic kit I have ever seen. Excellent presentation and very, very well put together. This has made me understand historical artwork better. Thanks for posting.

J
REAL men go west, kill celts, and bring back their gold and women.
Sissy men go east, and bring back... big pants...
:p
Elling Polden wrote:
REAL men go west, kill celts, and bring back their gold and women.
Sissy men go east, and bring back... big pants...
:p


I only have One thing to say!!!

Varingar!
Thomas Sundquist-Nilsson wrote:
Here´s an example of a rich Viking trader, it is based on findings from Birka, Hedeby and York.

[ Linked Image ]

Link to pictures and patterns.

If you click on the links under the picture you will find patterns of the garments in Pdf.
Only in swedish but i think you will manage. ;)


Why does he ave so much hanging in the belt? A drinkinghorn and all? This must be a reenactorism. I do think the sholder bag was invented .....
If you look at the finds from for instance Illerup Ådal, people actually have lots of stuff in their belts;
http://www.illerup.dk/custom/illerup_largeima...ension=jpg
However, in the middle ages, this seems to have fallen out of fashion.

I doubt a drinking horn would be part of the "standard loadout" however.

But, of course, when you are sailing you ship on a narrow river, and not the wild and stormy north sea, you might want to be drunk all the time. After all, it is very safe and boring, and the natives are mostly harmless...
Elling Polden wrote:
If you look at the finds from for instance Illerup Ådal, people actually have lots of stuff in their belts;
http://www.illerup.dk/custom/illerup_largeima...ension=jpg
However, in the middle ages, this seems to have fallen out of fashion.

I doubt a drinking horn would be part of the "standard loadout" however.

But, of course, when you are sailing you ship on a narrow river, and not the wild and stormy north sea, you might want to be drunk all the time. After all, it is very safe and boring, and the natives are mostly harmless...


Or in an age long tradition of Swedes traveling you want to be drunk... period! Hehe!
Jean Henri Chandler wrote:

Man that is one terrific website, some of the most realistic kit I have ever seen. Excellent presentation and very, very well put together. This has made me understand historical artwork better. Thanks for posting.

J


The site belongs to The Museum of National Antiquities in Stockholm, Sweden so you could say it is straight from the horses mouth.
This is not a viking but it´s my favourite. :p

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Knight, ca 1380 A.D.
Its quite fine reconstruction of Vikinga Tida men. Clothes are based on oryginal founds from one of the major viking markets ( high time 9 century Birka ) with strong influence of eastern style ( like Kafthan and Pants) belt and baldric are good as well but comb seems to be to big for me ( just have a look in to the gotland founds for example) and one important thing vikings never attached drinking horns in to the belt.


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Here is something different. More in Eastern Style but still Scandinavian


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Ladoga S wrote:
Its quite fine reconstruction of Vikinga Tida men. Clothes are based on oryginal founds from one of the major viking markets ( high time 9 century Birka ) with strong influence of eastern style ( like Kafthan and Pants) belt and baldric are good as well but comb seems to be to big for me ( just have a look in to the gotland founds for example) and one important thing vikings never attached drinking horns in to the belt.

Ladoga, while I may agree with you about the practice of hanging drinking horns from belts, I would hesitate at saying something like "vikings never attached drinking horns in to the belt." History has a habit of making statements like that seem foolish in retrospect. All it takes is one burial where a Norse trader is found to have some sort of belt attachment for his horn and there goes your "never" out the window.
Agree, how do we know they didn't? But yes, I got the point. I would personally hesitate to tie a drinking horn to my belt, but then I would not regard the practise as completely historical inaccurate, since we just don't know how they did. Carrying a 19th century canteen in your 10th century belt is inaccurate, tying a horn to it may be speculative, but far from impossible.
Here is my impression of a Viking or Anglo Saxon (change out the bling). This would by far be the most commonly found look:

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http://home.armourarchive.org/members/flonzy/...ntury.html



Here is my rich trader outfit much like the posted one:

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http://home.armourarchive.org/members/flonzy/Garb/10thcentury.htm


The Rus pants I wear for my Hedeby trader outfit would be rare to never worn among the Scandinavians.[/img]
Guys the main thing is what is important for you. In my opinion the main important thing in reconstruction is to build your knowledge on archaeological excavations, findings and ofcourse books. For the last almost 200 years of viking graveyard excavations no one found any example of this kind of burial. And you can ask for example prof. Duczko from University of Uppsala if he ever sow anything like that:-) or any major viking period specialist. You need to decide what you wont to reconstruct A.True knowledge B. Guess
Well Ladoga there is only one pair of extant pants from Scandinavia and they are 11th c so any other culture has to be an educated guess based on fragments ;)
Its not everything:-) about pants . Just have a look in to the book of Thor Ewing"Viking Clothing" (page.99-102) or just some visions from picture stones like Stenkyrka Lijjbjars, Halla Broa or Nar Smiss as well notes of Ibn Fadlan. So its not just a guess:-) Regards
Ladoga S wrote:
Its not everything:-) about pants . Just have a look in to the book of Thor Ewing"Viking Clothing" (page.99-102) or just some visions from picture stones like Stenkyrka Lijjbjars, Halla Broa or Nar Smiss as well notes of Ibn Fadlan. So its not just a guess:-) Regards


Yes but there are Rus pants on some carvings too even in Thor's book :D
Yes I Agree with You:-)
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