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Leo Todeschini
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Allen Foster
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Posted: Fri 02 Jan, 2009 6:06 am Post subject: |
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Another example of a medieval quiver. This one is rare. A knight on horseback.
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Leo Todeschini
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Chad Arnow
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Posted: Sun 04 Jan, 2009 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Leo Todeschini wrote: | Interesting picture, thanks.
Armour is not quite my thing but that looks to be about 1150-1200 or so? and I thought that a knight would rather be seen dead than use a bow for war. I guess this came from a crusades location and that it was a bit of 'when in Rome do as the Romans do'
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Tod,
If you're referring to the picture of the guy in the great helm on horseback, I'd put it in the 13th century toward the end. The great helm didn't fully enclose the head until the 13th century and a full sugarloaf form like that would be fairly late in the century.
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Elling Polden
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Posted: Mon 05 Jan, 2009 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Archery was on the list of knighly skill (along with horsemanship, music and chess, among other things); I think the notion of a knightly aversion towards archery is a later idea.
Quite likely, it could be part of the english nationalistic exaltation of the longbow as the "weapon that made men equal" and the "bane of french chivalry". (The french, however, kept their heavy cavalry-focused way despite the longbow, only abandoning it when faced with musket gunlines...)
It is quite probable that knights hated ARCHERS, but this is not the same as shunning bows.
"this [fight] looks curious, almost like a game. See, they are looking around them before they fall, to find a dry spot to fall on, or they are falling on their shields. Can you see blood on their cloths and weapons? No. This must be trickery."
-Reidar Sendeman, from King Sverre's Saga, 1201
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Leo Todeschini
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Posted: Mon 05 Jan, 2009 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Thanks guys, I guess I read too much Bernard Cornwell.
Quote: | Richard Fay wrote
I've seen images of medieval crossbow quivers covered in some sort of hair or fur (I think one may have been wolf's fur), but I couldn't find any of these on-line. There is one image of these in a colour plate in Robert Hardy's Longbow. This late medieval illustration is from the Hours of Catherine of Cleves, circa 1440. It shows longbows, crossbows, a centre-shot bow, arrows, bolts, quivers, and bolt bags(?). I think what are called quivers here may be quivers for the crossbow bolts, not necesaarily the longer arrows. Whichever they may truly be, they are definitely covered in a grey fur of some sort.
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I have no reference pictures to drop in I am afraid, but Leeds Armouries certainly has a hairy quiver and they seemed pretty popular as they are seen in artwork and museums. The Leeds one is listed as being covered in Badger fur, though boar seemed the most common and there are some I have seen that are clearly deer. They are a pig to make.
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Lafayette C Curtis
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Posted: Wed 07 Jan, 2009 3:36 am Post subject: |
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Allen Foster wrote: | A knight on horseback. |
Where does that image come from, I wonder? Which original manuscript and what's being illustrated? It'd certainly be nice to know the context and thus the possible pitfalls in the artist's interpretation.
(The biggest shock to me was not from seeing an armored medieval European horseman with a bow but rather from the idea of doing archery with a great helm on.)
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