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Dan Howard
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 Posted: Mon 09 Jun, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Richard Fay wrote: | | Dan Howard wrote: | | If the gorget was lined thickly enough to stop it from moving around it would cut off the air to my mouth and make it very difficult to turn my head. |
Hi Dan! 
That would be a problem, wouldn't it? That gorget seems to be the worst part of the whole design, wouldn't you agree? It seems as if it should have some way to secure it.
How much movement would a chariot driver be expected to make, assuming we're right and it was worn by the driver? Would the gorget be that great of an annoyance, or could he have functioned even with the gorget bouncing around? (I imagine the movement of the chariot would have sent the gorget dancing away!) Is there any way the helmet played a role in helping secure the gorget?
I'm sorry if I seem hung up on the gorget, but it seems a clumsy piece to an otherwise fairly well-made armour.
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[resurrect old thread]
I've been looking for specialised pieces of neck protection from other cultures during that time period (Egypt, Canaan, etc) and find that it is largely restricted to charioteers. After some impromptu experiments I think that it was too impractical for someone who had to engage in any sort of combat. This seems to reinforce the thesis that the Dendra panoply was used by a chariot driver and not any kind of combatant. If the driver had to fight then the gorget could be quickly slipped off and discarded. The rest of the armour is perfectly capable of allowing one to fight.
Last edited by Dan Howard on Tue 10 Jun, 2008 1:28 am; edited 1 time in total
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Jared Smith
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| Posted: Mon 09 Jun, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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I am wondering if there are any appropriate parallels here for later armour of knights (ones intended primarily to fight mounted, fighting as backup on foot secondly.) If I followed this right, the original suit was estimated at 25 kg (55 lbs, or about the same as non joust harness for mounted knights.)
Having done a few backpack adventures in the past couple of months, I can say that just wearing 55 lbs is not too uncomfortable to bear. Hauling 35 lbs on foot for a few hours/miles is enough that I really would not want to follow it up with sparring. I would dread hauling 55 lbs on foot for several hours, and then having to fight afterwards.
Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence!
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Dan Howard
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| Posted: Tue 10 Jun, 2008 1:32 am Post subject: |
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It is the gorget that leads me to think that it was worn by a chariot driver. If it was not present then the rest of the armour could have been worn by anybody from chariot archer to spearman. The gorget severely limits ones options in combat. You can't look down for a start and any sudden move causes it to bounce around.
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William P
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you mention the lack of arming garments, have people tried hitting you with (blunted, obviously) weapons, with you wearing it, and if so, how does the armour as is, stand up to abuse???
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Dan Howard
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| Posted: Mon 06 Feb, 2012 4:50 am Post subject: |
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I've been hit across the chest with a baseball bat wrapped in a cloth so it didn't scratch the metal. There is no dent. I barely felt the impact. I can see the lacing at the shoulder being broken if the pauldron is hit at an awkward angle with a percussion weapon.
You don't need arming garments. The plate itself has a padded liner just like a lot of later armours.
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