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Manouchehr M.





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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 1:57 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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Actually, on the other side of this helmet Manoucher posted a picture of, you can see the hole left by the fatal bullet.[/quote]

That is really great to know. I would take a picture from other side next time.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 2:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Gordon Frye wrote:
Hugo;

Bayard's life made a great book, so it ought to make a great movie if at all done properly. After all, it IS about "The Great Bayard"! "The Loyal Servitor" is the book's name, and was VERY popular over the centuries.

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Gordon,

Where can I buy this book?

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 2:03 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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I vaguely remember a film about Bayard that I may have seen on local French T.V. a long long time ago.

A film made in France pre-1960 probably and maybe made decades earlier: So there may be a " Classic " French film on Bayard out there but I have no idea if it would be available on VHS or DVD ? One would have to search European DVD sites or film history sites to maybe find it. ( Might not be available in a format playable in a DVD for the North American region even if one exists in Europe ? )[/quote]

Jean,

I will try to find the movie in France and will let you know.

Gentlemen,

If there is any picture you need a close-up of any part, be it an armor or a sword, let me know and I will provide it.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 7:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Manouchehr;

A modern version of"The Loyal Servitor" is available in English on-line here: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/11363

Amazon has a copy of this as well:

http://www.amazon.de/Bayard-Good-Knight-Witho...1406816590 ,

and I'm sure that it is also available in the original French as well from the same source. These aren't the original, I wasn't able to locate one in my brief search, but I would imagine that they are out there.

Allons!

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 8:29 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Manouchehr,
Thank you for taking the time to post all of these photos, this thread has been very interesting to follow and the last few pages of 16th & 17th Century armours a real treat for someone like me with a lot of interest in that period.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 9:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Gordon Frye wrote:
Manouchehr;

A modern version of"The Loyal Servitor" is available in English on-line here: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/11363

Amazon has a copy of this as well:

http://www.amazon.de/Bayard-Good-Knight-Witho...1406816590 ,

and I'm sure that it is also available in the original French as well from the same source. These aren't the original, I wasn't able to locate one in my brief search, but I would imagine that they are out there.

Allons!

Gordon


Don't believe a word in that book.


The Doge in person at the siege of Brescia?

Why not the Pope heading the french troops?

And

The french killed ten thousands civilians, raping and looting what they could, so much for this mushy book.

The pro-venetian rebels (real history is different) were mangled and their corpses left to the dogs.


Super fiction.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Manouchehr M. wrote:
James Arlen Gillaspie wrote:
Hello, Manouchehr,

A 'lame' is an individual piece of metal that makes up a part of plate armour. The fauld consists of the lames that protect the abdomen.



Thank you very much James, I really appreciate it.

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Manouchehr


Hi Manouchehr,

Check out these links, they show the names of the various parts of a plate harness:
http://www.myArmoury.com/feature_gothic_armour.html
http://www.beautifuliron.com/armour_diagrams.htm
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 10:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Gordon Frye wrote:
Manouchehr;

A modern version of"The Loyal Servitor" is available in English on-line here: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/11363

Amazon has a copy of this as well:

http://www.amazon.de/Bayard-Good-Knight-Witho...1406816590 ,

and I'm sure that it is also available in the original French as well from the same source. These aren't the original, I wasn't able to locate one in my brief search, but I would imagine that they are out there.

Allons!

Gordon


Thank you very much Gordon for your kind input.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 10:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Daniel Staberg wrote:
Manouchehr,
Thank you for taking the time to post all of these photos, this thread has been very interesting to follow and the last few pages of 16th & 17th Century armours a real treat for someone like me with a lot of interest in that period.

Best regards
Daniel


Daniel

You are very welcome my friend. I travel a lot across Europe and will surely tae more pictures for my friends here and will post them here. May I ask why you like 16 and 17 century armours specifically?

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 10:29 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Bruno Giordan wrote:

Don't believe a word in that book.
The Doge in person at the siege of Brescia?

Why not the Pope heading the french troops?

And

The french killed ten thousands civilians, raping and looting what they could, so much for this mushy book.

The pro-venetian rebels (real history is different) were mangled and their corpses left to the dogs.


Super fiction.


Bruno

Now I am lost again! What should I order now?

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 10:31 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hisham Gaballa wrote:
Manouchehr M. wrote:
James Arlen Gillaspie wrote:
Hello, Manouchehr,

A 'lame' is an individual piece of metal that makes up a part of plate armour. The fauld consists of the lames that protect the abdomen.



Thank you very much James, I really appreciate it.

Kind regards

Manouchehr


Hi Manouchehr,

Check out these links, they show the names of the various parts of a plate harness:
http://www.myArmoury.com/feature_gothic_armour.html
http://www.beautifuliron.com/armour_diagrams.htm


Wow HIsham. Thank you very much my friend.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 10:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Dear friends,

Let us continue our tour in this wonderful museum in Paris.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 11:14 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Manouchehr M. wrote:
Bruno Giordan wrote:

Don't believe a word in that book.
The Doge in person at the siege of Brescia?

Why not the Pope heading the french troops?

And

The french killed ten thousands civilians, raping and looting what they could, so much for this mushy book.

The pro-venetian rebels (real history is different) were mangled and their corpses left to the dogs.


Super fiction.


Bruno

Now I am lost again! What should I order now?

Kind regards

Manouchehr


I would ask somebody with a real knowledge of french history if I wanted to have a realistic portrait of an hitorical character.

Medieval fiction is so faught with gentle fabrications and romantic howlings that it is utterly unusable for your goals, not to mention the fact that often it has been serving the most various political and social agendas.

I would start from french Wikipedia ... a better source indeed even if faulty and imprecise at times.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 11:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I just noticed this thread today, and I must say it is a little much to digest all at once, lol. You are very good at taking pictures Manouchehr, and I've enjoyed every page, espesially the bronze items. Also, It's surprising and very fortunate how many armors have survived, and in such good condition, I didn't expect to see so many. Truly a wonderfull museum, makes me wish I could travel abroad, but I'm to broke. WTF?!

Looking forward to any other pics.

Luceo Non Uro.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 11:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Bruno Giordan wrote:


I would ask somebody with a real knowledge of french history if I wanted to have a realistic portrait of an hitorical character.

Medieval fiction is so faught with gentle fabrications and romantic howlings that it is utterly unusable for your goals, not to mention the fact that often it has been serving the most various political and social agendas.

I would start from french Wikipedia ... a better source indeed even if faulty and imprecise at times.


Bruno

I will defnitely order that book as well and will get more information as well. Thanks.

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Martin Whalen wrote:
I just noticed this thread today, and I must say it is a little much to digest all at once, lol. You are very good at taking pictures Manouchehr, and I've enjoyed every page, espesially the bronze items. Also, It's surprising and very fortunate how many armors have survived, and in such good condition, I didn't expect to see so many. Truly a wonderfull museum, makes me wish I could travel abroad, but I'm to broke. WTF?!

Looking forward to any other pics.


Martin,

Thank you very much for your kind words my friend. I really appreciate it. It is a pleasure for me to share. There are indeed many old items that have survived in European museums. Many royal pieces were kept very well over ceturies. This is the same in Iranian museums and royal collections. I will surely provide more pictures. Thanks again.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 11:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Dear friends,

If you need any translation from French texts let me know please.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 8:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Bruno Giordan wrote:


Don't believe a word in that book.


The Doge in person at the siege of Brescia?

Why not the Pope heading the french troops?

And

The french killed ten thousands civilians, raping and looting what they could, so much for this mushy book.

The pro-venetian rebels (real history is different) were mangled and their corpses left to the dogs.


Super fiction.


Well, yes, it is. Most romantic adventures, even if they're concerning a historical figure are rife with fancy and romance, and tend to leave out the rough parts of their hero's character. But whatever the reality, still the figure who was central to this particular romance, Bayard, was an important character in the period and it's worth checking into it for that reason alone. He was famous in his day, and what is more amazing, famous for centuries there-after.

As far as other romances written in the period go, none of them tend to delve into the realities of warfare, and the depredations committed against civilians. All talk of honour and glory, and tend to gloss over those minor details, no? It seems that other than suggesting "horrors of war" not many authors prior to the 20th Century actually chose to depict it as the conflagrations that they are, but in a rather rosy and quite unrealistic way. One just has to understand that most of what really happened goes unsaid, and to read between the lines.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 10:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Dear friends,


More terminology.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr, 2007 10:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

More helmets

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