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Urbain d'Erlon




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PostPosted: Fri 02 Mar, 2007 12:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The mail hauberk is dated 1350, from Germany :

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Mar, 2007 1:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Cool pictures!
Is it just me or does the segmented breastplate have holes located for what looks to be an arret?
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Mar, 2007 2:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I don't think anyone could answer this...
This "breast plate" could be a part of a coat of plate or a corrazina. The arret shouldn't be on it. The arret has been made for jousting, during the XV and XVI centuries, not on the war harness of the XIVth. The rivets should have joined the plates with leather or other garment. Maybe these holes were for rivets, too ?
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Mar, 2007 10:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Urbain,

I am not sure that the arret is for jousts alone. All/many armour of the Milanese style and Gothic in the 15th for mounted horsemen have arrets, including war harnesses. The arret would be incredibly useful I assume in war although, myself, I have only ever used one in joust. (Doubt they have much use now in war). The earliest mention of it is in Chaucer so it alos is used in the XIV.

They tend to make rivet holes symetrical which these two are not. They do not have to be for and arret but it seemed possible ant in the right place.

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Mar, 2007 11:17 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Just two quick examples of art with them in the 14th.
One is Saint George from late 14th.
The second is Walter von Hohenklingen 1386.

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Mar, 2007 2:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Good pictures those. To me it looks like that breastplate was once part of a coat-of-plates, i.e. it was riveted inside a fabric cover. Happy
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PostPosted: Sat 03 Mar, 2007 4:40 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Urbain d'Erlon wrote:
I don't think anyone could answer this...
This "breast plate" could be a part of a coat of plate or a corrazina. The arret shouldn't be on it. The arret has been made for jousting, during the XV and XVI centuries, not on the war harness of the XIVth. The rivets should have joined the plates with leather or other garment. Maybe these holes were for rivets, too ?


The segmented Churburg harness includes a lance rest doesn't it? It dates to circa 1390.

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Mar, 2007 5:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad,

That is a good one. I had forgot. The Churburg 13 does indeed have a arret.

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Mar, 2007 9:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ok, I didn't know from when the arret was... Now, I do, thanks !
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2007 7:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Dear friends,

I was invited to a lecture and a conferenece. Sorry for the late replay. Thanks Urbain for posting the pics and also thanks for the input of others.

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PostPosted: Sun 11 Mar, 2007 4:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

THis is a wonderful targe attributed to the Hungarian king Matthias Corvinus. It is a French work around 1490.


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PostPosted: Sun 11 Mar, 2007 5:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That is a German Targe from 1450.

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar, 2007 2:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Turban helmet of Sultan Bayazid II 1481-1512

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar, 2007 3:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Manoucher

When did you take these pics ? I was last Thursday at the Musée de l'Armée, and I'd be sorry if I had missed you...

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar, 2007 6:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Fabrice Cognot wrote:
Hi Manoucher

When did you take these pics ? I was last Thursday at the Musée de l'Armée, and I'd be sorry if I had missed you...


Thank you for your kind words my friend. Last week I was in Tehran as I gave two lectures at Iranian universities (I will report on it soon).

I was in Paris two weeks ago. I took many pictures. Next time I will let you know so that we could meet there. Thanks again.

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar, 2007 6:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Some pieces of bronze arms and armor


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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar, 2007 8:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

More bronze weapons.

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar, 2007 9:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Manouchehr,

thanks for the new pictures. I have heard some good things about your book. Sounds like it is quite amazing. Thanks again for the updates.

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar, 2007 10:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Randall Moffett wrote:
Manouchehr,

thanks for the new pictures. I have heard some good things about your book. Sounds like it is quite amazing. Thanks again for the updates.

RPM


You are welcome my friend.

Thank you very much Randall for your kind words. I really appreciate it.

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar, 2007 10:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

For the lovers of two-handed swords.
A group of German swords from 1550. Could somone please identify the one-edged sword? What type is that?

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