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Tony G.
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Thanks for your replys and concern. I have been collecting and carrying out minor restoration for over 40 years to arms and armour. Please dont think I am just I am getting a hammer and chisel and a grinder on It. I have given carefull thought and very carefull slow restoration. I will send pictures in a few days and I think you will agree that I have not done the wrong thing.
The helmet is probably made in the low countries (Holland/Belgium) circa 1600.
Thanks Tony.
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Nathan Robinson
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Tony G.
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Enclosed picture of one of my helmets a early 17th Century Cuirassier Close Helmet probably English or German. When purchased this helmet was siezed up solid and heavy hard rust. Many weeks of restoration and I and collectors I know think as come out well. unfortunatly rusted though on chin.
Thanks Tony.
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Justin King
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I have to re-iterate my opinion that the piece should be taken to a professional
If you are determined to use the vinegar soak, you should at least be sure to nuetralize the vinegar with baking soda afterwards to stop it etching any further. The vinegar will begin to etch the steel underneath the rust before it has all come off, soaking for too long can cause more severe corrosion of the surface.
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Justin King
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| Justin King wrote: | I have to re-iterate my opinion that the piece should be taken to a professional
If you are determined to use the vinegar soak, you should at least be sure to nuetralize the vinegar with baking soda afterwards to stop it etching any further. The vinegar will begin to etch the steel underneath the rust before it has all come off, soaking for too long can cause more severe corrosion of the surface. |
I was writing this as you submitted your most recent post-I am glad that you clarified your experience with this sort of thing. Your original post gave no indication of this, which gave some of us cause for concern. Thanks for sharing in any event, it is a very interesting piece. I hope the restoration turns out well.
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Tony G.
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Thanks Justin,
thanks for you post, I asked the original question to find out if any easyier or quicker ways to clean but as I thought just "slow and easy"
Enclosed pic of a very simular closed helmet to mine that was sold about 8 years ago.
Regards Tony.
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James Arlen Gillaspie
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Location: upstate NY Joined: 10 Nov 2005
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I should have checked in earlier - thought it was just another thread about rust prevention. I clean and repair armour for a living. If you have some old, CLEAN bone (ivory is better), it is harder than the red rust but softer than iron or hard black oxide, and makes a very good scraper.
jamesarlen.com
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James Arlen Gillaspie
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P.S. I'd stay away from acid. I'd also be careful about how much pressure I applied while scaping.
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Tony G.
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Thanks James will try the bone and ivory..
Tony.
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Lin Robinson
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| Tony G. wrote: | Thanks for your replys and concern. I have been collecting and carrying out minor restoration for over 40 years to arms and armour. Please dont think I am just I am getting a hammer and chisel and a grinder on It. I have given carefull thought and very carefull slow restoration. I will send pictures in a few days and I think you will agree that I have not done the wrong thing.
The helmet is probably made in the low countries (Holland/Belgium) circa 1600.
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Tony...
I would not folow though with your plan. If this is an original, then improper restoration will ruin it's value monetarily and as an artifact. Unless you are an expert, I would look for a conservator who can stabilize the piece and do any restoration needed in a professional manner.
LR
Lin Robinson
"The best thing in life is to crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women." Conan the Barbarian, 1982
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James Arlen Gillaspie
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Tony, I just assumed you would know this, but it occurs to me I'd better be sure - the armour cleaning fluid of choice is 'white spirits', as David Edge always says.
jamesarlen.com
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Greg Thomas Obach
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s white spirits similar to mineral oil ?
the mineral oil and turpentine does help to pop off the rust... and the bone idea is fantastic... thanks
for the others.... :
the question was " how to remove rust from this helm "... if you have helpful answers, i'm sure the gentleman would appreciate it being to the Point !
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Chad Arnow
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| Greg Thomas Obach wrote: | for the others.... :
the question was " how to remove rust from this helm "... if you have helpful answers, i'm sure the gentleman would appreciate it being to the Point ! |
Do not take it upon yourself to direct the actions of others on this forum if you're not a Moderator. The only exception is if the original poster of a thread isn't happy with the direction of the thread, it's appropriate for them to ask to steer things back on-topic.
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Greg Thomas Obach
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sorry... was just getting a little frustrated.... as it's a great topic 
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Chad Arnow
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| Greg Thomas Obach wrote: | | sorry... was just getting a little frustrated.... as it's a great topic |
If you ever have an issue with the direction a thread is taking, feel free to contact one of the Moderators to discuss it.
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Tony G.
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Took a few weeks of hard careful work but all rust removed without damage to metal or patina. Quite deep pitting in places. No armourers mark that I can see. Roped edges. Weigh`s 4 Pounds.
Some people have said on my other post ( Removing rust ) not to touch the helmet and leave to an expert, Most of the helmets I have seen have been polished bright !!!
Thanks Tony.
Sorry but not the best of pictures.
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Steve Grisetti
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In my opinion, your helm looks great. The rust removal project turned out very nicely, Tony.
"...dismount thy tuck, be yare in thy preparation, for thy assailant is quick, skilful, and deadly."
- Sir Toby Belch
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Greg Thomas Obach
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very nice work.... it was worth the effort..
how are you protecting it from further rust..
thanks for the update
Greg
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Adam Simmonds
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hi guys,
it seems that most of you are pretty reticent when it comes to polishing up old pieces, for fear that the accumulated grime, the revered patina and build up from years or centuries of sleep will be lost, and with it, part of the pieces history and originality.
i can appreciate this viewpoint, however, i also appreciate the alternative philosphy of japanese makers for example who keep old swords polished as a way of keeping the peices alive, wiping the sleep from their eyes
each to their own, i guess. personally, i don't see why an old sword ( or other piece) would necessarily be less valuable after shedding some of its accumulated patina
puts me in mind of an old irish folk story 'the king of islands son'. this boy, after many quests etc acquires a beautiful old sword. however, the sword is dull after having lain around for ages, and it is not till the boy has it cleaned by a man able to do so (reference is made too the specialised ability of the polisher), that the sword truly comes into its own right and is once again highly esteemed and valued as the 'sword of the light'.
just a folk tale, perhaps, but much history is buried in these old stories.
cheers, adam
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