Helm from St. Justina stone carving -- myArmoury.com

R. Mcwilliams

Hello Members,

I have run the search engine for the St. Justina stone carving of the knight with the nice helm, mail and shield.
I found a small pic on this site.
I guess I am to new to enlarge it... as The message says I need to register.

What I am looking for... is more historical documentation and views.
Page 52 in "Arms & Armour of the Medieval Knight"
Says: 1210 Church of St Justina, Padua.
Goggle has not helped very much.

Does this helm have a nasal?

This is my impression so far:
http://home.armourarchive.org/members/halberds/SeptAotM2.jpg

Thank you,

R. McWilliams

Nathan Robinson · myArmoury Admin

You're registered now so you can view the image in high resolution should you wish.

The image in question is in our Oakeshott Type XII Spotlight article.

Chad Arnow · myArmoury Team

Hello and welcome to myArmoury.com. Happy

It looks like you're referring to this picture from our Oakeshott Type XII spotlight

The face is protected by an attached face mask. This form is a precursor to the great helm and fits somewhere between conical helms with nasal bars and the fully developed heaume, or great helm.

Looking at it closely in the book, there appears to be some kind of bump in the nose area. It doesn't look, though, like there's a nasal riveted to the rim around the helm, like we'd expect. Maybe the face mask is shaped to give more room for the nose?

Jean Thibodeau · Posted: Tue 19 Sep, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject:

Looks like a face mask or plate protection of an early type of great helm pierced with eye holes and breathes.

Oh, and welcome to the site. Don't forget to look at all the feature articles, reviews, collections, etc ...... as well as links: There is a lot of material here and not just the information available on the forums.

R. Mcwilliams · Posted: Tue 19 Sep, 2006 8:27 pm Post subject:

Yes thank you, that is the best pic so far.

When I click on the small one it I get:
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( www.myArmoury.com:
You must be a registered member to view high resolution images. Registration is free. Please register and log in to access this feature.)
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Is their any close ups of the helm taken from the left side?
The bump in the face plate hints of a nasal, Yes?

Ron McWilliams

Ps: Thank you Chad and Nathan for the welcome and the pic.

Chad Arnow · myArmoury Team

Randall Moffett · Posted: Tue 19 Sep, 2006 10:46 pm Post subject:

Ron,

Good to have you here! I have to say your helmet is turning out very nicely. I think it is more a shaped nasal out of the facemask than a nasal rivetted over the facemask. That being said, when I enlarge it om my computer it does get fuzzy but it could go either way.. What would you think would look best?

RPM

Jonathon Janusz · Posted: Wed 20 Sep, 2006 5:03 am Post subject:

Hello and welcome. I have the same message problem when viewing pictures sometimes. The solution is that you have to be logged into the web site with your user name and password to get it to work properly; I often browse this site without logging in and usually get tripped up somewhere while clicking through. Happy

About the helm, if you are looking for other representations in art of a similar style, turn the page in AAoMK to 54-55. check out the figure in the bottom panel on 54 on the very left edge of the photo. On 55, the figures in the photo on the right side are all wearing a similar helm and there is one illustrated on the ground near the bottom left corner.

For reference, these images are from the Silver Shrine of Charlemagne, Aachen Cathedral, dated c1207, as noted in the book.

Cheers!

Bruno Giordan · Posted: Fri 22 Sep, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject:

R. Mcwilliams · Posted: Fri 22 Sep, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject:

HI Bruno,

Thanks for the great web site link. That is truly a marvelous place. I have searched the web well and not found anything more.

I finished my helm although, I did not have much time to work on it. It is rather crude. Yes?
I think it is the lost link between spangens and the McBible style flat top face helm. The time line seems to be about right.

If you are ever up that way bring a print of the carving who knows one just might know where it is located.
That sure is a big place though.

Thank you all for your research help.

Ron

Merv Cannon · Posted: Sat 23 Sep, 2006 12:25 am Post subject: Helm at St Justina's

Hi there.........I had a little better luck with a very quick Google-picture search. When I typed in "Church of St Justina, Padua" I got nothing. When I cut out "Padua" I got a few and when I just used "St. Justina " I got around 400. On the first page was a helm made by Windrose Armoury , here......... http://windrosearmoury.com/zen_new/index.php?...cPath=4_15 ...... its the last one botton left. Unfortunately its got the typical SCA anti neck-boffer grill on it but the rest looks ok. If you e-mail them they might give you some more reference ?

Bruno Giordan · Posted: Sat 23 Sep, 2006 2:19 am Post subject:

Gave a phone call to the friars, the friar doorman seems to know nothing about the carving, anyway they will let people tour the place.

Next week I will try to contact the state agency for antiquities, the Soprintendenza ai monumenti.

They shuld know better and have a pic or two in their archives.

This is the real address and new phone number for the basilica and convent

Abbazia Santa Giustina
35123 Padova (PD) - Via G. Ferrari, 2/A

* 049 8220411 • 049 8220431