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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 4:46 pm    Post subject: Lutel kriegsmesser         Reply with quote

I just got my second kriegsmesser.. and wow.. it's totally different than the first!! Here I'm saying that I think Lutel is "too" machine perfect (and they are) and too "cookie cutter".. but you know what? They're not cookier cutter at all.. they're actually quite different from one another. The blade shape/curve is absolutely different.. the thickness of the guard is different.. the thickness of the grip is different.. it's very interesting because it would appear that the hilts are made to fit the blades.. and there is variety to be found in the blade, so the hilt must accomodate it.

Interesting.

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 5:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yeah, checking the pics in your gallery with my Messer, I can see that the curvature on mine is slightly different, and that the guard-plate has four grooves instead of five. Seems like there's more to Lutel than meets the eye...
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 5:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Björn Hellqvist wrote:
Yeah, checking the pics in your gallery with my Messer, I can see that the curvature on mine is slightly different, and that the guard-plate has four grooves instead of five. Seems like there's more to Lutel than meets the eye...


Wow! you're right.. the newer one I have has 4 grooves, while my old one has 5 grooves. They're also shaped differently and the cross-guards are flared and sized differently from eachother. The new blade is significanlty more curved than the old one. I don't know which curvature I like better, as they're both accurate and attractive. Overall, it's a very nice sword model and I will have to weigh and measure them to see other differences.

Pretty interesting.

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 5:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

We could measure the difference in curvature (I think the technical term is "sagitta") and compare the messers.


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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 5:26 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Björn Hellqvist wrote:
We could measure the difference in curvature (I think the technical term is "sagitta") and compare the messers.

What's the derivation/origin of the word "sagitta" as it pertains to curvature?

It's also a name of a constellation of stars I think.

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 5:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Björn Hellqvist wrote:
We could measure the difference in curvature (I think the technical term is "sagitta") and compare the messers.


Curvature:
The old one: .625" at the greatest
The new one: 1.125" at the greatest

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 5:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The Swedish word is "pilhöjd", "arrowheight", and as "sagitta" is Latin for "arrow" (the constellation Sagittarius = the Archer), and it is logical when you think of the curve as a bow and the measurement as a very small arrow... I'm searching for the proper English term as we speak.
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 5:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

1½" at the greatest (as measured from an imagined line base of blade - point).
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Dec, 2003 5:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Found a definition (sort of): "sagittal curvature: An incorrect name for axial curvature, and an obsolete name for transverse curvature, both of which are axis-based curvatures."
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PostPosted: Tue 09 Dec, 2003 3:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'll take photos in the next week or so of both pieces to show the differences.
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PostPosted: Tue 09 Dec, 2003 4:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'll be watching for the new pictures. Happy I keep thinking that when I get some money together I'll get one of these guys, but it hasn't happened yet. It is on my list, though...

Does the extra curvature change the 'feeling' of the way the sword should be handled a lot?
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Dec, 2003 8:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Two of them? Sheesh Nathan what are you up to? You aren't planning on having this one broken down are you?
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Dec, 2003 8:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Russ Ellis wrote:
Two of them? Sheesh Nathan what are you up to? You aren't planning on having this one broken down are you?

Yep. I have plans for one of 'em.

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