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Manouchehr M.
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| Andrew Winston wrote: | Manoucher, what do you make of the fact that the kilic I posted has dyed cow horn scales, but is clearly an extremely fine weapon, with an incredible pattern-welded blade and gold koftgari? Seems incongruous to me.
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You mean the Kilic posted by Artzi on your site!
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Andrew Winston
Location: Florida, USA Joined: 17 Nov 2003
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Yikes. What are you talking about, Manoucher? I made a mistake and, when you pointed it out to me, I immediately admitted to it. I have no chip on my shoulder.
Yes, Artzi posted that kilic on the EEWRS. However, I posted it here. I was genuinely interested in discussing these fascinating swords with you, and asked you a serious question. I should have known better.
Andrew 
EDIT: Incidently, as you well know, the EEWRS and Vikingsword sites are not "mine". I'm just a moderator, and a new one at that.
"I gave 'em a sword. And they stuck it in, and they twisted it with relish.
And I guess if I had been in their position, I'd have done the same thing."
-Richard Milhous Nixon
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Manouchehr M.
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| Posted: Sat 06 Dec, 2003 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Andrew Winston wrote: | Ah! You are absolutely correct, Manoucher! Sorry for the misunderstanding.  Both are very nice weapons.
I envy you the opportunity to meet with Artzi and handle these. Hopefully, I'll make it to Timonium this year.
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I have never been to this Timonium event! Neither do I intend to! I meet Artzi and his son Avner on a regular basis in Germany! Both are true gentlemen. As a matter of fact we just met couple of days ago!!!
Regards
Manoucher
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Manouchehr M.
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| Posted: Sat 06 Dec, 2003 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Andrew Winston wrote: | Yikes. What are you talking about, Manoucher? I made a mistake and, when you pointed it out to me, I immediately admitted to it. I have no chip on my shoulder.
Yes, Artzi posted that kilic on the EEWRS. However, I posted it here. I was genuinely interested in discussing these fascinating swords with you, and asked you a serious question. I should have known better.
Andrew
EDIT: Incidently, as you well know, the EEWRS and Vikingsword sites are not "mine". I'm just a moderator, and a new one at that. |
Sorry no problems! I thought you were saying something else! I am not that adept at using English! As you know I am not a native speaker of English!
Regards
Manoucher
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Frederick B.
Location: MA. Joined: 25 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Sat 06 Dec, 2003 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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" Posted: Today at 12:29 pm Post subject:
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Andrew Winston wrote:
Ah! You are absolutely correct, Manoucher! Sorry for the misunderstanding. Both are very nice weapons.
I envy you the opportunity to meet with Artzi and handle these. Hopefully, I'll make it to Timonium this year.
Andrew
Manoucher wrote
"I have never been to this Timonium event! Neither do I intend to! "
Why the exclamation points Manoucher ?
Timonium is supposed to be quite a nice arms show .
All the best .
Fred
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Manouchehr M.
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| Posted: Sat 06 Dec, 2003 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Frederick B. wrote: | " Posted: Today at 12:29 pm Post subject:
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Andrew Winston wrote:
Ah! You are absolutely correct, Manoucher! Sorry for the misunderstanding. Both are very nice weapons.
I envy you the opportunity to meet with Artzi and handle these. Hopefully, I'll make it to Timonium this year.
Andrew
Manoucher wrote
"I have never been to this Timonium event! Neither do I intend to! "
Why the exclamation points Manoucher ?
Timonium is supposed to be quite a nice arms show .
All the best .
Fred |
Fred
I think Andrew and I can discuss this together! Thanks for your intervention anyhow!
My wholepoint was that before talking about a weapon Andrew should have checked the pics carefully, he did and then everything is O.K now I guess
Regards
Manoucher
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Frederick B.
Location: MA. Joined: 25 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Sat 06 Dec, 2003 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Did I say something wrong here ?
Anyway I find both of these kiliks beautiful .
All the best
Fred
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Manouchehr M.
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| Posted: Sat 06 Dec, 2003 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Frederick B. wrote: | Did I say something wrong here ?
Anyway I find both of these kiliks beautiful .
All the best
Fred |
No you did not. The Kilic I posted has the famous Turkish twisted star or ribbon pattern. We have been looking for a good term for the second Kilic with Koftegari at its base. Actually I wanted to keep this thread centered on the Kilic I posted with giraffe horn scales that is why I started this thread. Now we ended up in comparing the two!
Regards
Manoucher
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Frederick B.
Location: MA. Joined: 25 Aug 2003
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I guess I'll drop out of this discussion then .
Don't want to step on any toes .
All the best
Fred
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Manouchehr M.
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I guess I'll drop out of this discussion then .
Don't want to step on any toes .
All the best
Fred |
No problem Rick, no hard feelings.
Regards
Manoucher
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Frederick B.
Location: MA. Joined: 25 Aug 2003
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I'm glad to hear that .
I think the confusion in the discussion arises because the 4th picture that you posted was of the other kilik with the gold koftgari that Andrew mentioned from the other forum .
I believe that the first kilik that you posted a picture of is forged in the 'ribbon' pattern while the kilik with the gold koftgari in your 4th post shows a distinct 'star' pattern .
All the best
Fred
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Manouchehr M.
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You are right I mistakenly posted the wrong pic on the fourth post!
Regards
Manoucher
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Manouchehr M.
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| Posted: Sat 06 Dec, 2003 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Gentlemen
Sorry for the confusion.
Regards
Manoucher
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Manouchehr M.
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| Posted: Sat 06 Dec, 2003 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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The pattern of the first Kilic is Turkish ribbon or twisted star, the explanation is from Artzi. Anyhow a very good blade, I have to say not as good as earlier Kilics with wootz blade. I do not want to tlak these late Kilics down, they have the best market and collectors seem to love them, but through my intensive discussions with Artzi and Philip Tom we all agree that the earlier baldes have the better quality.
Maybe it is due to the fact that I am very biased and adore early wootz blades. Everyone has his own taste and preferences.
Regards
Manoucher
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