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Robin Smith
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Are my eyes bad, or is that SWEATER MAILLE???  Obviously it's not in the close-ups, but those longer shots don't look right.
A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine
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Patrick Kelly
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| Posted: Sat 03 Mar, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Robin Smith wrote: | | Are my eyes bad, or is that SWEATER MAILLE??? Obviously it's not in the close-ups, but those longer shots don't look right. |
It looks like the WETA-made stuff, as used in Lord of the Rings and Kingdom of Heaven.
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Martin Wallgren
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| Posted: Sat 03 Mar, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| George Hill wrote: | | Thomas Sundquist-Nilsson wrote: | | It will be 2 movies, a tv-series and yes, even an international movie. |
So is that a yes, on being avalible in English?  |
Otherwise I can make a fortune teaching you all Swedish!
I think the DVD versin will have English subtitles at least, most Swedish productions are aviable with it.
Swordsman, Archer and Dad
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Jean Thibodeau
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| Posted: Sat 03 Mar, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Martin Wallgren wrote: | | George Hill wrote: | | Thomas Sundquist-Nilsson wrote: | | It will be 2 movies, a tv-series and yes, even an international movie. |
So is that a yes, on being avalible in English? |
Otherwise I can make a fortune teaching you all Swedish!
I think the DVD versin will have English subtitles at least, most Swedish productions are aviable with it. |
As long as they make a DVD zoned for North America ? Otherwise out of luck playing it here with standard DVD players. 
There are machines that will play DVDs from all zones I think or is that only illegally hacked machines ?
Martin: English subtitles on most Swedish movies  Does that mean that many Swedish people have trouble understanding the language  ( Just teasing   )
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Martin Wallgren
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| Posted: Sat 03 Mar, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Jean Thibodeau wrote: | | Martin Wallgren wrote: | | George Hill wrote: | | Thomas Sundquist-Nilsson wrote: | | It will be 2 movies, a tv-series and yes, even an international movie. |
So is that a yes, on being avalible in English? |
Otherwise I can make a fortune teaching you all Swedish!
I think the DVD versin will have English subtitles at least, most Swedish productions are aviable with it. |
As long as they make a DVD zoned for North America ? Otherwise out of luck playing it here with standard DVD players.
There are machines that will play DVDs from all zones I think or is that only illegally hacked machines ?
Martin: English subtitles on most Swedish movies Does that mean that many Swedish people have trouble understanding the language ( Just teasing ) |
Hehehehe! Nops! Where just bilingualy natured!
Well, I think there is some DVDs that play all. Hopefully the market in the North Americas will be large enough to make it worth a print of NA zoned DVDs! But a DVD player here cost almost nothing (like $40) so in the worst senario you just send me the bucks and I buy the DVD and a DVDplayer for you and sent it over!
Swordsman, Archer and Dad
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Patrik Erik Lars Lindblom
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| Hisham Gaballa wrote: | Very cool pics!
What is this film/TV series called? And more importantly when is it available on DVD? |
First film = ARN - The Knight Templar
the later one = Kingdom at the end of the road
available on DVD? i guess 2008
I hope the arabic stuff look's right in the movie!
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Oh the torture! By all means, please continue. |
Not much left out there, but you beg for it
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Thomas Sundquist-Nilsson
Location: Stockholm; Sweden Joined: 02 Feb 2007
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This is a much better picture of Cecilia.
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Chad Arnow
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| Posted: Sat 03 Mar, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Before anyone even starts commenting on the lovely lady, let me say that any such discussion is off-topic even for the Off-Topic Talk forum. Let's not go there, please. 
ChadA
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Peter Bosman
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Well...... probably very 'authentic' incuding the way the horses were used?
Personally I absolutely understand why one uses horses for survival BUT, I do not see any reason to treat them so utterly disrespectfull today and even less just to make a motion picture = amusement.
The way some people crave about replicas and play acting is undoubtedly great fun. I have a compaireable reaction of loathing when I see a frame like his. No, I am not going to see this one.
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George Hill
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| Peter Bosman wrote: | Well...... probably very 'authentic' incuding the way the horses were used?
Personally I absolutely understand why one uses horses for survival BUT, I do not see any reason to treat them so utterly disrespectfull today and even less just to make a motion picture = amusement.
The way some people crave about replicas and play acting is undoubtedly great fun. I have a compaireable reaction of loathing when I see a frame like his. No, I am not going to see this one.
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Pardon the ignorance, but what's wrong? Is he pulling back to hard on the reins? Sitting badly?
To abandon your shield is the basest of crimes. - --Tacitus on Germania
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Hugo Voisine
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Same question from me. Being totally unexperienced with horses I can't see what is so wrong with this picture... 
« Que dites-vous ?... C'est inutile ?... Je le sais !
Mais on ne se bat pas dans l'espoir du succès !
Oh ! non, c'est bien plus beau lorsque c'est inutile ! »
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Rod Walker
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Well, he is using a rather harsh bit that needs 'good, soft' hands so as not to cause the horse discomfort, this chap doesn't have good hands and as such the horse would want to put it's head above the bit (in the air) to escape the discomfort/pain. To stop this, someone has put a Standing Martingale on that locks the horses head down (that's the strap running from the girth, between the horses front legs and up to the noseband). The horse can now not escape the pain.
Personally I hate Standing Martingales, rings etc and would rather work with the horse to round up onto the bit.
I don't quite understand why the film makers have gone for a "period looking" bit and bridle, but used a very obvious modern saddle.
Cheers
Rod
Jouster
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"Come! Let us lay a lance in rest,
And tilt at windmills under a wild sky!
For who would live so petty and unblessed
That dare not tilt at something, ere he die?"
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Hugo Voisine
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Thanks Rod, it seems pretty obvious now that you pointed to it...
For my personnal culture, do you know if this "Standing Martingale" thing existed back in the day of the crusades ?
Well at least they didn't used "horse clothing" like what is depicted in the Maciejowski bible...
Must be pretty suffocating, among other things.
« Que dites-vous ?... C'est inutile ?... Je le sais !
Mais on ne se bat pas dans l'espoir du succès !
Oh ! non, c'est bien plus beau lorsque c'est inutile ! »
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Rod Walker
Location: NSW, Australia. Joined: 05 Feb 2004
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| Hugo Voisine wrote: |
For my personnal culture, do you know if this "Standing Martingale" thing existed back in the day of the crusades ?
Well at least they didn't used "horse clothing" like what is depicted in the Maciejowski bible...
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I don't think I have ever seen anything that looks like a set of rings or a Standing Martingale in a medieval context.
Caparisons can be hot and heavy but they serve a purpose. They display a knights arms and they can protect the horse against arrows and blows. Mind you the defensive quality would depend on how thick and what they were made out of,but loose cloth can absorb quite a lot of a blow.
Cheers
Rod
Jouster
www.jousting.com.au
"Come! Let us lay a lance in rest,
And tilt at windmills under a wild sky!
For who would live so petty and unblessed
That dare not tilt at something, ere he die?"
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Hugo Voisine
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Thanks for the info Rod. I imagined such a garnment for the horse would be very impractical, but then again I know close to nothing on the subject.
I don't wan't to disgress from the original topic to much but is this you and your horse ?
« Que dites-vous ?... C'est inutile ?... Je le sais !
Mais on ne se bat pas dans l'espoir du succès !
Oh ! non, c'est bien plus beau lorsque c'est inutile ! »
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Rod Walker
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I don't wan't to disgress from the original topic to much but is this you and your horse ? |
It is myself and Shadow.
Cheers
Rod
Jouster
www.jousting.com.au
"Come! Let us lay a lance in rest,
And tilt at windmills under a wild sky!
For who would live so petty and unblessed
That dare not tilt at something, ere he die?"
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Jean Thibodeau
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| Rod Walker wrote: | Well, he is using a rather harsh bit that needs 'good, soft' hands so as not to cause the horse discomfort, this chap doesn't have good hands and as such the horse would want to put it's head above the bit (in the air) to escape the discomfort/pain. To stop this, someone has put a Standing Martingale on that locks the horses head down (that's the strap running from the girth, between the horses front legs and up to the noseband). The horse can now not escape the pain.
Personally I hate Standing Martingales, rings etc and would rather work with the horse to round up onto the bit.
I don't quite understand why the film makers have gone for a "period looking" bit and bridle, but used a very obvious modern saddle. |
Maybe good actor really bad rider ? Would harsh equipment even make it easier for a novice rider ?
Even if period equipment ( tack ? ) might be barbaric by current standards and was chosen for some historical authenticity it should be possible to make it look like the cruel true to period stuff but not function in that way.
In any case total accuracy doesn't seem to be a priority with most film makers so why choose to be accurate and maybe hurt the horse !?
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George Hill
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| Jean Thibodeau wrote: |
Even if period equipment ( tack ? ) might be barbaric by current standards and was chosen for some historical authenticity it should be possible to make it look like the cruel true to period stuff but not function in that way.
In any case total accuracy doesn't seem to be a priority with most film makers so why choose to be accurate and maybe hurt the horse !? |
In Ben Hur, many horses were killed with trip ropes. This resulted in public outrage, and horses being trained to fall on command, but in a safe way. Since then, every movie horse fall is recogniseable as the horse falls on it's side, not 'forward'.
(Well there was a Chinese movie which looked like a forward fall, but maybe they had a custom trainer. House of Flying Daggers as I remember, during the scene in the forest with the horseman.)
In theory, there is no reason you couldn't make a bit that looks period, but doesn't hurt the horse. After all, how often does the camera look into the mouth?
To abandon your shield is the basest of crimes. - --Tacitus on Germania
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Lafayette C Curtis
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| George Hill wrote: | | In theory, there is no reason you couldn't make a bit that looks period, but doesn't hurt the horse. After all, how often does the camera look into the mouth? |
Actually, I'm wondering about this as well. Somebody who manages to do period-looking but safe and humane tack will probably rack up an immense profit from supplying the product to movie houses and reenactors. There's a lot of economic incentive for it.
I wish I had been a saddle-maker. That way I might have been able to take advantage of this damned thing...
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Jean Thibodeau
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| Lafayette C Curtis wrote: | | George Hill wrote: | | In theory, there is no reason you couldn't make a bit that looks period, but doesn't hurt the horse. After all, how often does the camera look into the mouth? |
Actually, I'm wondering about this as well. Somebody who manages to do period-looking but safe and humane tack will probably rack up an immense profit from supplying the product to movie houses and reenactors. There's a lot of economic incentive for it.
I wish I had been a saddle-maker. That way I might have been able to take advantage of this damned thing... |
Sounds like a good idea and I think even the most demanding reinactor would compromise on authenticity to not hurt the horses.
Oh, the horse in the pic does look in distress or at least NOT happy ? Although I am not a reader of horse body language the eyes of the horse do look rounded and a little crazy ? Maybe Gordon Frye will read this Topic and give us his opinion based on the pic. ( I know from other topic threads that Peter knows his horses and his reaction to the picture seems to be very negative ! So at the very least this is not a happy rider / horse / gear combination. )
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