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PostPosted: Fri 02 Sep, 2005 9:40 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jason Elrod wrote:

Umm. Is this the custom XX pictured on A&A's website? Cuz if Russ doesn't want to handle the sword, I'll make a quick swoop down from Winchester VA to play with it.


Sure Jason - PM me and we will schedule it.
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Sounds like a good plan Gordon of course with gas prices the way they are I hope you don't mind if I stay a while...


No problem - you can have the mother in law room. (As long as the MIL is not in there.)
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A shot of the second A&A claymore (with custom ash handle) that Criag & the boys did for me !
Than 2 more claidheamh d limh by the mighty Vince Evans !

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A blowup (cropped) of 1:1 from Culloden The Swords & the Sorrows, National Trust For Scotland, 1996, with a bit of the plates descriptive text :

"Hilt, Scottish Highland, late medieval blade German (Solingen or Passau), probably early 16th century.
The iron hilt consists of a small wheel pommel, with the "hub" off-centre towards the blade, and a longitudinally-faceted quillon-block supporting a pair of long quillons of flattened-hexagonal section inclined towards the blade, between which is a pair of square-ended langets flanking the blade. Each quillon ends in an open-work quatrefoil formed of four short tubes welded together.
The grip is covered in brown leather."



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PostPosted: Fri 02 Sep, 2005 12:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Least we forget that famous Vince Evans dragonslayer, Ragnarok, in the collection of one Tom Bassier !

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Sep, 2005 1:17 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Oh wow... that one gives yours a run for its money Mac. Both absolutely beautiful. So what is your collecting goal these days anyway? You have narrowed your focus rather a lot it seems. Basically you just want to own every Vince Evans piece in the world?
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Mac that is jaw dropping amazing. Cool Cool Cool
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Russ Ellis wrote:
Oh wow... that one gives yours a run for its money Mac. Both absolutely beautiful. So what is your collecting goal these days anyway? You have narrowed your focus rather a lot it seems. Basically you just want to own every Vince Evans piece in the world?


Hi Russ

Yes, Ragnarok is quite the sword ....and just think .... Tom actually shortened that handle, as it was originally a few inches longer than what you see here !

Yeah, the scope of my collecting has narrowed to the Scottish stuff, these last few years, as I've found it impossible (money-wise) to spread myself into other areas and be able to maintain such high quality items !
Not to mention that it's next to impossible to own all the different style of baskethilts & claidheamh mor I see !

The thing is, yes, Scottish swords are me .... 100%
Beyond the absolute beauty I see in them I feel they are very much at the core of my heritage, tied into some crazy little voice in my head that helps me connect to all the generations past, and Scotland as a whole !

Vince & Eljay are the two best modern day hammermen I've come across in centuries ..... and that is why my collection is made up of their work ! I've dabbled in antique originals, as well, but as a rule they are far too rich for my blood !
Afterall, I be but a lowly land-scraper here in the former colony of His Majesty, Massachusetts !
(and boy o boy the price of fuel is getting out of hand here..... perhaps it's time to have another Tea Party ;-)

yor Most Humbl Sevtt , Thomas

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Sep, 2005 2:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thomas McDonald wrote:
Russ Ellis wrote:
Oh wow... that one gives yours a run for its money Mac. Both absolutely beautiful. So what is your collecting goal these days anyway? You have narrowed your focus rather a lot it seems. Basically you just want to own every Vince Evans piece in the world?


Hi Russ

Yes, Ragnarok is quite the sword ....and just think .... Tom actually shortened that handle !

Yeah, the scope of my collecting has narrowed to the Scottish stuff, these last few years, as I've found it impossible (money-wise) to spread myself into other areas and be able to maintain such high quality items !
Not to mention that it's next to impossible to own all the different style of baskethilts & claidheamh mor I see !

The thing is, yes, Scottish swords are me .... 100%
Beyond the absolute beauty I see in them I feel they are very much at the core of my heritage, tied into some crazy little voice in my head that helps me connect to all the generations past, and Scotland as a whole !

Vince & Eljay are the two best modern day hammermen I've come across in centuries ..... and that is why my collection is made up of their work ! I've dabbled in antique originals, as well, but as a rule they are far too rich for my blood !
Afterall, I be but a lowly land-scraper here in the former colony of His Majesty, Massachusetts !
(and boy o boy the price of fuel is getting out of hand here..... perhaps it's time to have another Tea Party ;-)

yor Most Humbl Sevtt , Thomas


To each his own, but Tom is a nut!!! It's good to have focus Mac but I have to tell you I sure miss the Mcdonald recycling program... Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Sep, 2005 6:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A side by side look at the two VE long necks ! Mac


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PostPosted: Sat 03 Sep, 2005 4:31 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Big Grin
If you ever need to rehome any of those closer to the homeland mac,i could maybe help you out, Laughing Out Loud Wink
as of this morning fuel here is now 96pence a litre for unleaded and 99pence for diesel, Cry

Like the new sword russ,i was thinking of one of these as they were listed,looks pretty Cool
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Lee O'Hagan wrote:
Big Grin
If you ever need to rehome any of those closer to the homeland mac,i could maybe help you out, Laughing Out Loud Wink
as of this morning fuel here is now 96pence a litre for unleaded and 99pence for diesel, Cry


Very generous of ye, laddie ..... but methinks England has confiscated it's fair share of 'em ;-)

It's amazing how every other utility gets regulated, in its pricing , yet oil companies skate ?
I dunno ..... maybe fat arsed America needs to walk, or ride a bike, a little more anyways ! Mac

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My, oh my. Such eye-candy I woke to this morning!!! I seem to recall a photo of a strange four-quillon claymore with a curved spiral grip. Anyone have photos or more info on that one? Keep the pics coming!!!.......mcm.
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My, oh my. Such eye-candy I woke to this morning!!! I seem to recall a photo of a strange four-quillon claymore with a curved spiral grip. Anyone have photos or more info on that one? Keep the pics coming!!!.......mcm.


Here ya go, Mark !



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Yup......That's the one. Strange beast, that. I can imagine the look on the face of an English soldier when confronted by a blood-crazed Highlander carrying a monstrous sword such as that. You know any history on it, Mac?....mcm
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PostPosted: Sat 03 Sep, 2005 8:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sad
Aye, they took more than their share, no doubt at notable cost though,
no complaints my end on the oil companies,they actually take less than 20pence of the mentioned cost,
do you know or have seen a modern commision of the four quillon sword? you tried to bend anyone's ear on one Big Grin
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Mark Moore wrote:
Yup......That's the one. Strange beast, that. I can imagine the look on the face of an English soldier when confronted by a blood-crazed Highlander carrying a monstrous sword such as that. You know any history on it, Mac?....mcm


Hi Mark

I don't have much information on that piece !
I believe it was bequeathed by the late James Drummond (Ancient Scottish Weapons, 1881), and is of 16th century make !
Drummond stated in his book that the spiral handle is carved ivory, but I've heard say it is walrus bone ! ?
I think the MOS card says it "belonged to Robert The Bruce, but actually c. 16th century" !

It does not strike me as the best hilt to go into a fight with, but I suppose it would really come down to who was weilding it !

An interesting sword nonetheless ! Mac



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Lee O'Hagan wrote:
do you know or have seen a modern commision of the four quillon sword? you tried to bend anyone's ear on one Big Grin cool pics,


Hi Lee

I swear I heard of someone who was going to have one made, don't recall by who ?, but I've not seen one so far !

It would be an interesting piece to have recreated .... but there are so many other swords I'd sooner have made that I'm afraid someone else will eventually have one long before 'ol Mac does !
I guess I've always looked at it as more of a historical novelty than a serious fighting sword so I've never had that fire a' burning to commission one !

Perhaps 'ol Mark needs to take up the flag and run with it ;-) Mac

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First 3 - Highland claymore, c. 1560-70 (The British Museum)
* Photo: The Thirteenth Park Lane Arms Fair

Second 2 - unkown ?
Photo: Highlanders; A History of the Highland Clans, Fitzrot MacLean, 1995.

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1. The Whitelaw claymore, c. 1530
Photo: European Arms & Armour At Kelvingrove, JG Scott, 1980.
2. The "Noel Paton" claymore, c. 1550
* Photo: The Thirteenth Park Lane Arms Fair, 1996.

3. The Clontarf claymore, c. 16th century
* Photo: Sixteenth Century Irish Swords in the National Museum of Ireland, Hayes-McCoy, 1959 Dublin.

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