The Devil made riveted mail........
.........or at least he had a hand in it.

I decided to add a little length to the skirt of my hauberk, and after an afternoon's work I added exactly one row of rings.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......................... :mad:
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Tell me about it. I'm tailoring an Indian-made hauberk to be more accurate, and to have it fit properly. It takes forever.
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Re: The Devil made riveted mail........
Patrick Kelly wrote:
I decided to add a little length to the skirt of my hauberk, and after an afternoon's work I added exactly one row of rings.


And you are using pre-fabbed rings and rivets! I'm guessing that was about 130 - 150 rings.

Look at the historical lesson here and we can all learn something about (or at least appreciate, marvel at?) the actual period pieces. The iron needed to be gathered and processed, wire drawn, spooled, cut, rings prepped and pierced, and then they got to where you were. Insane amount of effort and time.
And now that you've thought about that, think about the effort it would take to draw sheat metal out of an ingot that's, say, three inches thick.

Would YOU like to be one of the strikers swinging the #20 sledges? :lol:
Aaron wrote:
And you are using pre-fabbed rings and rivets! I'm guessing that was about 130 - 150 rings.


141 rings exactly. :eek:

It does give you any appreciation for the ancient craft as well as the modern craftsman who do high quality mail work.
Also why the stuff was probably too expensive for the masses and the stuff must have been recycled when possible.

Using it for pot scrubbing must have been with really tired stuff.

Scale or leather must have been a lot less time consuming to make and maybe used more often than we know of during the dark ages or early Medieval period.

Maille may have become less expensive when semi-industrial armour making became more efficient.

Patrick: Never tried myself but those tiny rivets must cramp out your hands just trying to put then though the holes in the rings and fall out a lot before you actually peen them !? :p :D


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Patrick Kelly wrote:

141 rings exactly. :eek:

It does give you any appreciation for the ancient craft as well as the modern craftsman who do high quality mail work.


I figured I was pretty close. (not my first rodeo, you see...)

Butted maille gave me a close-enough approximation to be thoroughly amazed by ancient riveted maille. It also makes a quoted price of in the neighborhood of $0.30 per link sound cheap... until you realize that there are like 75,000 rings in my personal maille. Let's see... math at 02:30 hrs ( :wtf: )... that's $22,500.
You've got brass ones, Patrick. Or perhaps ones of riveted maille. :) I'm going to have to go another few rounds with butted shirts (and become a civilian again) before I try a project like that, but I'm looking forward to watching how it unfolds. I drink to your success!
Greetings Patrick Kelly, I am doing my first butted maille shirt. Please accept my kudos and sympathies for doing the "riveted" version. I would also like to add my most sincere compliments for your library presentation(?) here too. Here is my salute to all that will have it their own way! For size, historic accuracy, etc. A salute to the effort, aggravation and appreciation of taking craft to hand and doing the work of our anscestors as masochistic as it sounds. A fine meal is only known after it is ate. Here's to those who eat and eat well. Personally, I have developed a rather strong taste for steel,leather and wood.:o Like a fine wine or good Scotch, I find their finish quite satisfying.;) Sincerely, Patrick Fitzmartin
Patrick Fitzmartin wrote:
Greetings Patrick Kelly, I am doing my first butted maille shirt. Please accept my kudos and sympathies for doing the "riveted" version. I would also like to add my most sincere compliments for your library presentation(?) here too. Here is my salute to all that will have it their own way! For size, historic accuracy, etc. A salute to the effort, aggravation and appreciation of taking craft to hand and doing the work of our anscestors as masochistic as it sounds. A fine meal is only known after it is ate. Here's to those who eat and eat well. Personally, I have developed a rather strong taste for steel,leather and wood.:o Like a fine wine or good Scotch, I find their finish quite satisfying.;) Sincerely, Patrick Fitzmartin


Thank you Patrick.

I was very pleased with how the program went. I'm also pleased with how my norman kit is progressing. It still isn't complete but I think it will be quite nice when I'm finished.

I've worked with butted mail and thought it was an excercise in frustration until I started fooling around with this riveted stuff! I'll admit that it is neat to look at a few rings you've riveted into place. It makes you feel that you're a bit more in touch with the real process. Even so, I'm just doing alterations. I'd never attempt an entire garment of the stuff!

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