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Andrew V
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Posted: Thu 08 Jun, 2023 5:47 pm Post subject: Sinewed wood crossbows? |
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Of the 9 extant wood crossbow laths I am aware of, 2 are backed, one of which (Royal Armouries Sweden) is definitely sinewed, the other (Alhambra) may be sinewed, or might only be backed with sinew but translations of the Spanish are not perfect . Sinewing offers significant advantages for crossbows but I am not aware of references in medieval texts to sinewed wooden crossbows. It could be that translators only picked up on crossbows and didn’t expound further, or they were sufficiently commonplace as to not be described separately from other wooden crossbows Does anyone know of any texts/sources mentioning adding sinew to wooden laths, or alternatively any papers or articles on the subject?
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F. Rodel
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Posted: Fri 09 Jun, 2023 6:14 am Post subject: |
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In some Italian sources of the fourteenth century, there are references of "baliste de nervo", i.e. crossbows of sinew. Probably these crossbows were, so to speak, something in between wooden and horn crossbows.
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Andrew V
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Posted: Fri 09 Jun, 2023 11:29 am Post subject: |
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That’s really useful.! I don’t suppose you could give any references to this?
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Ryan S.
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Andrew V
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Posted: Fri 09 Jun, 2023 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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In that instance, the string caught in the nock and split a section of the lath which was glued back in and bound with a sinew wrap. He wrapped the other end as well just to be safe. Sinew is amazing stuff, I’ve seen it described as natural fibreglass by one modern bowyer.
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Andrew V
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Posted: Thu 27 Feb, 2025 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Been a while but recently I found a translation of some of the regulations concerning the use of sinew on round wood crossbow laths written. by the guild of crossbow makers in the late 13th century. The translation is by S.Manning and on the website “ageofdatini”. The existence of rules controlling the quality of sinew application possibly written before 1270 is a bit of a game changer
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Sean Manning
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Posted: Thu 27 Feb, 2025 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Andrew V wrote: | Been a while but recently I found a translation of some of the regulations concerning the use of sinew on round wood crossbow laths written. by the guild of crossbow makers in the late 13th century. The translation is by S.Manning and on the website “ageofdatini”. The existence of rules controlling the quality of sinew application possibly written before 1270 is a bit of a game changer |
Glad people are finding it helpful! I am not likely to make any crossbows anytime soon.
There are ballistae de nervo in Hewitt's Antient Armour and Weapons in Europe from 1860 and a 2003 book by Elisabeth Crouzet-Pavan. I think the volume The Cutting Edge by Barry Molloy talks about ancient sinewed wood bows.
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Andrew V
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Posted: Fri 28 Feb, 2025 1:40 am Post subject: |
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So useful! How’s that for poor grammar? Wooden crossbows and wood/sinew crossbows are my current obsession. The insights into correct procedure have changed my own methods- I notice in the 13th item you leave the term”scanellum”, I’m not entirely sure but it might translate to slot or groove?? I guess it maybe a unit of measure for the area around the slot, which I imagine is perhaps the centre of the bow around the bolt groove ?
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Andrew V
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Posted: Fri 28 Feb, 2025 5:01 am Post subject: |
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Thank you for the reading list, a quick search found Hewitt available at project Guetenberg . I spent a very pleasant morning reading his work. Really enjoyed myself
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