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Michele Allori
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Posted: Wed 18 Aug, 2021 2:51 pm Post subject: Italo-Norman Masked Helm Iconography? |
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I Need some help, as I suck at researching the sources.
I was researching a specific type of Norman Helm, thet is featured often in various (respectable and not) online shops for armour. The helm in question is some type of evolution from the norman Nasal Helm, with a mask protruding in front of the face, sometimes constructed with a slight curve forward, sometimes straight. The top is protruded ahead with a small point, in a shape that is sometimes called "Phrygian", and most manufaturers date this 1170 ca. Everyone seems to agree this was a sicilian Helm in the 12th century, but I cannot, for the life of me, find examples of it, neither museum pieces, nor pictoral evidence.
Here's the helm I'm referring to
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/62/7d/a8/627da8fc7ff7addb3b2849b3bda501a0.jpg
https://www.battlemerchant.com/themes/Frontend/Battlemerchant/frontend/_public/src/img/BM_main_background.jpg
https://medieval-armour.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/e243_b.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/9f/f4/5f/9ff45fe9fcfb9374a6f1d24ba68fac3c--norman-helmet.jpg
http://www.tomala.lublin.pl/obrazy/big/helm183_3.jpg
The only evidence I found is from the Fresco of the Martyr of Thomas Beckett in a church in Spoleto, here it is:
https://www.laforgiadelgrifone.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/martirio-di-thomas-becket-chiesa-di-san-giovanni-e-san-paolo-spoleto-1175-ca-1.jpg
I find it hard to believe that ALL these makers based their work on a single piece of evidence, so, where can I find more evidence for this type of helm?
https://manuscriptminiatures.com/3966/11581 Here you can find something similar, but it looks more like a lining on the edge of the Maille, instead of a part of the mask
Unfortunately the photograph is really old, as the face of the soldier is now lost...
Yeah, very cool. Is it historically accurate though?
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Cameron Slatyer
Location: Australia Joined: 23 Aug 2020
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Posted: Fri 27 Aug, 2021 1:09 pm Post subject: Italo-Norman Masked Helm Iconography? |
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Hi Michele - there are a few representations of helms similar to this from period manuscripts - the Lost Tomb of Count William of Flanders (St Omer), Legend of Roland (stained glass window) Chartes Cathedral. I confess I looked up the Osprey book "The Normans" but I did check online copies of the primary sources and it does seem to be genuine. There are certainly no legitimate surviving helms that I could find... But this is way after my period of interest and there are lots of folks on this forum that know more than me.
C. Henry
"Anything is possible in the fantastic Celtic twilight, which is not so much a twilight of the Gods as of reason." J.R.R. Tolkein
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Chad Arnow
myArmoury Team
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Posted: Fri 27 Aug, 2021 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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I know there is a carving from the 12th century that shows them. I’ll try to post it tomorrow. I believe I’ve seen some other depictions. Guess I’ll have to spend time looking through my books tomorrow. Thanks for giving me an excuse to do so.
ChadA
http://chadarnow.com/
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Raman A
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Anthony Clipsom
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