[Tyler C.]

Hi There,

In the past few years I have seen a number of swords come up for sale in various locations that are in excavated condition. Every time I see a sword like this I am skeptical. Sometimes these blades are obvious poorly done fakes, but sometimes, the form, proportions, and assembly style appear to be authentic. Below are some examples from pictures that I have saved. Each of these to me appear like they could conceivably be authentic based on their form and constriction. Things that I find potentially suspect are the patina, and possibly the lack of grain that I would expect from a corroded item made from wrought iron (hilt parts), or steel from derived from bloomery iron. That being said, I have seen many authentic excavated swords with very similar patina, and a similar lack of visible grain. I have even personally polished and etched an ancient arrowhead with a very similar corrosion patter to these blades and found that it had a strong pattern and grain direction consistent with bloomery iron that was not visible prior. This leaves me with the question: How can items like these be authenticated? I would love to hear your thoughts.

[Tyler C.]

Here are a few more example pictures.

[Chris Dayton]

Great question, thanks for posting. I have several excavated condition pieces from the 1500s-1600s and have held off on earlier ones due to the staggering number of forgeries in the medieval and Viking arenas.

The one tip I have is what you've already mentioned about grain... relic-level pitting tends to bring out a "woodgrain" effect in hand-forged iron and steel that is so difficult to reproduce no one would bother on a typical forgery.* So if the grain is there, that's strong evidence of originality, but a lack of grain does not necessarily indicate the opposite.

I look forward to responses from the experts here!

*Source: E.B. Erickson and personal observations

[Joe Maccarrone]

I'm hardly an expert, but I've been able to spot a few fakes (posted here on this site) through simple knowledge of the production sword market going back 30 years or so. If anyone has kept all the old Del Tin, MRL/Windlass, etc. catalogs going back decades, posting these on line would be a great resource to help identify fakes...

[Tyler C.]

[Tyler C.]

I dug up pictures of the ancient arrowhead that I referred to earlier. I think it is relevant, or at least may satisfy some curiosity. The first picture shows the item as I received it. The second shows it after I used a wire wheel to clean off any loose corrosion which should have revealed any gain exposed due to corrosion. The next four pictures show the arrowhead during grinding, after polishing, after surface etch, and after a deep etch. These pictures are a poor substitute for an in person look, or examination under microscope but hopefully they are of some use. Perhaps I will try to take some better pictures later to post.

I should also mention that I have a few ancient/medieval arrowheads (approximately 40 pcs.) all in excavated condition. I believe that all are authentic and only one of them shows the grain of the metal in the corroded surface texture. Many show corrosion surface textures very similar to those on the swords above. Of course the quality of metal used in arrowheads is not likely on par with that of swords, but I believe it is still somewhat relevant and interesting to note.

[Dan Howard]

Authentic arrowheads are cheap to buy on the market. There is no money to be had by faking them. Most of the fakery with arrowheads comes by falsely stating that they came from a famous battlefield.

[Tyler C.]

[J.D. Crawford]

Speaking as an amateur enthusiast, I agree there's nothing obvious in the surface corrosion / patination that's clearly off. There might be some subtle flags in the form. In your first post the 2nd sword proportions look odd: the hilt looks typical 14th century but that short hexagonal blade with spade tip looks off, or modified historically. Then the geometry on the Brazil nut pommel seems crude compared to most historical examples. But again, I would consider those warning flags rather than hard evidence because there are also atypical historical swords.

[Tyler C.]

I found a couple other threads that I had missed on my original search that have some excellent information. It appears that there has been a fair amount of discussion on similar swords, but there isn't really a solid answer to this question yet. I hope that this can spark a little more conversation and hopefully some good insight.

In this thread (see below) XRF was used to analyze the composition of the alloy. This seems like an excellent method to get some evidence for or against the authenticity of a blade in question. The biggest question I am left with is how will the patina/corrosion on the surface of the sample affect the readings? My guess would be that it has a huge effect. Rust is porous and if the blade was sitting in sulphur or phosphorus rich soil (i've heard that rapid rusting can be achieved by burying in highly fertilized soil) I imagine it would make the readings show high readings for these contaminants. Perhaps the answer is to polish a small section of the blade and then scan. Thoughts?
http://myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.36942.html

Below is another thread that talks about some swords similar to those that I have posted. There is some good information in this thread and there are a few tell tales that can be watched for. For me, one of the most interesting points was one made in a Peter Johnsson quote that the OP posted in his second post. In the quote Peter mentioned the thickness of the black patina (Fe3O4 I assume) noting that it was too thin to be a true antique blade. On the arrowhead that I polished above I was astonished by how thick the layer of black oxide was on this piece. I ground though a couple millimetres of black oxide before I got to bare steel. This has made me think that perhaps the thickness of the patina could be measured and used to authenticate an ancient blade. I wonder if coating thickness measurement tools could be used here. Thoughts anyone? Does anyone have counter examples of authentic excavated blades with thin black oxide layers?
http://myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.36810.html

Anyway, hopefully this thread becomes useful and brings some new techniques/thoughts/discussion together that can be helpful in authenticating ancient blades.