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Anthony Clipsom




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PostPosted: Tue 07 Apr, 2020 4:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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I hope Tod can write a book on medieval European crossbows and bolts one day, we need something to replace Ralph Payne-Gallway!


I always thought it was a shame Egon Harmuth's Die Armbrust didn't make it into English.

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Jonathan Dean




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PostPosted: Tue 07 Apr, 2020 4:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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Dan Howard wrote:
How many heads have been found with the shaft intact? If only the head remains, how can anyone tell whether it came from an arrow or a crossbow bolt?



Thickness of the shaft would give a clue, I think. Anyone have some data?

There are quite a few complete bolts in museums. For example, these from the Met Museum, dated 15th-17th century



The top one seems a good match for Tod's "plate cutter", though I'm unsure where that identification comes from/ is based upon.


The issue with shaft diameter is that some arrowshafts were 13.5-14mm in diameter (at least based on the socket diameter of arrowheads so far exclusively associated with arrows), especially once you get to the 15th and early 16th century, which makes them very hard to distinguish between crossbow heads and arrow heads for some specific styles. The "plate cutter" falls into this difficult category, although the 10-11mm socket diameter variants - such as the arrowhead used as the model for Tod's plate armour test - are more likely to be arrowheads than crossbow heads.
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Luka Borscak




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PostPosted: Sun 10 May, 2020 12:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It's completed! 25 layers in body and 10 layers in sleeves.


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Dan Howard




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PostPosted: Sun 10 May, 2020 6:04 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Looks good so far. If you want more rigidity, you will need more rows of quilting in the torso section. The spacing between rows of quilting should be a couple of cm or less, not a couple of inches. The stitching should be pulled as tightly as you can to compress the layers. It involves a massive amount of labour.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 May, 2020 10:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well done Luka. I'm wondering what's the mobility like in the arms, does the material bunch up on the inside of the elbow?
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