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Pedro Paulo Gaião




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PostPosted: Tue 11 Jul, 2017 11:42 am    Post subject: Sword and Buckler as Historical Sidearms for Men-at-arms?         Reply with quote



A friend of mine - who reenacts - once told me that sword-and-buckler was only meant to be a combination of sidearms given to lightly armoured soldiers, like archers and billmen. For him, men-at-arms and knights would pick longswords as sidearms, instead of a arming sword and a buckler, since his armor would render the shield useless.

But after I researched in Manuscript Miniatures website I actually evidence for men-at-arms and well clad soldiers using the arming sword and the buckler, but I don't know if I actually should interpretate the illustrations in that way without considering context (e.g.: duel or location's praticity), so I would like to know your opinion:

I) A man-at-arms could be equipped with sword n' buckler combination or would he always be inclined towards the longsword? Arming Sword without buckler could be a option or this is Hollywood stuff?

II) Armor makes bucklers a redudant thing at all? Is this form of fencing mainly designed for lightly armoured fighters?


http://manuscriptminiatures.com/search/?tags=%22buckler%22
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Bram Verbeek





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PostPosted: Wed 12 Jul, 2017 2:43 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There are many artistic depictions with people armoured that caeey a buckler, which I am sure you already found, so I went looking for effigies, which I value a bit higher as a source.

These were hard to find. I found one in the Malvern Abbey church, with a warhammer and mail. http://effigiesandbrasses.com/media/cache/eff..._large.jpg
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Pedro Paulo Gaião




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PostPosted: Fri 11 Aug, 2017 4:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Bram Verbeek wrote:
There are many artistic depictions with people armoured that caeey a buckler, which I am sure you already found, so I went looking for effigies, which I value a bit higher as a source.

These were hard to find. I found one in the Malvern Abbey church, with a warhammer and mail. http://effigiesandbrasses.com/media/cache/eff..._large.jpg


Probably because effigies show equipment of society's elite (those who could afford effigies) and buckler wasn't exactly something associated with "elite main arms". The effigy you showed is from mid-13th century, as its the first known reference for a martel-de-fer (warhammer). Shields were more commonly used by this date, but I wonder if we also have evidence for 14th and 15th century effigies.

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In the books I have been reading, there were plenty of contemporary written evidence stating that "every archer or billmen levied in the shires must equipped with [...] bucklers" (this from english War of Roses, but it's not the only one). What I find strange is that those "universal obligation" for common soldiers isn't represented in artistic evidence. I don't know if they were too lazy or they simply were reproducing a not-so-often usage of bucklers.
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