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Steve L.





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PostPosted: Thu 27 Jul, 2006 8:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes - but sorry:

That´s a "company secret" (of the museum). Worried I have to respect that! (I want a future cooperation with the staff of this museum!)
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PostPosted: Mon 31 Jul, 2006 10:01 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Kirk Lee Spencer wrote:
Jeroen Zuiderwijk wrote:
Just a minor correction, that's actually from a Gundlingen, the one you posted on page one in this thread. It's a very interesting one, as it's one of the very rare examples of a Gundlingen with hilt remains.


You are right my friend...

Thanks for the correction Big Grin

ks



Actually I made two mistakes on this post...

The sword in question was not only Gundlingen (rather than Mendelheim) but it was in Grave 299 rather than 99.

The TOMBA site also has a color image of the sword as well as the gold foil.

The sword is 72.5 cm long and the bronze chape is 14cm wide

It dates from Hallstatt C1b (730-660 B.C.) The grave has a mixture of both male and female grave goods. It is believed that it is a mix of two graves 299 and 295 which is situated directly above.

Grave finds now in Museum of Natural History Vienna Austria

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Image from "The Hallstatt Sword of Bronze: on the continent and in Britain" by J.D. Cowen

Two swords
Lit in Eden’s flame
One of iron and one of ink
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One of God or one of man
Our souls to one of
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Steve L.





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PostPosted: Mon 31 Jul, 2006 10:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The reconstruction of this sword is one of my next projects.

I have to buy the plated gold foil, the sword will be grinded and the hilt - the wooden parts - will be finished this week.

I have to use gold - it´s the only way to make a better sword then Jeroen´s one! Cool
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Steve L.





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PostPosted: Sun 15 Oct, 2006 7:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My "new" (refurbished second hand) hallstatt sword:



Detailpics are very big, only linked::

Hilt, oiled and beeswaxed

Chape, antler-fixed (No finds of rivets in the chapes)

Decoration on the scabbard

All paintings with kaseine-colours.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Oct, 2006 7:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Steve L. wrote:
My "new" (refurbished second hand) hallstatt sword ....

That is a beauty, Steve. Well done.
(odd - at first, I could not get to your linked detail photos. I could only get to some advertising pages and some sort of log in page. But, when I started this reply, I was able to reach the links. I wonder why??)

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Steve L.





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PostPosted: Sun 15 Oct, 2006 8:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Quote:
(odd - at first, I could not get to your linked detail photos. I could only get to some advertising pages and some sort of log in page. But, when I started this reply, I was able to reach the links. I wonder why??)


That´s a prob with my pic-server - but after a few times "refresh" it should work!
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Oct, 2006 9:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's an outstanding job Steve. It's nice to see others branching out into these less-covered areas. Very nice.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Oct, 2006 10:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ok, correct me if I'm mistaken, but does the workmanship in these very old blades seem to far surpass that of medievil swords? The tang flows as if one with the blade itself, not just like some necessary projection... Certainly got my attention!
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Oct, 2006 2:23 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Torsten F.H. Wilke wrote:
Ok, correct me if I'm mistaken, but does the workmanship in these very old blades seem to far surpass that of medievil swords? The tang flows as if one with the blade itself, not just like some necessary projection... Certainly got my attention!
I wouldn't say they would surpase the workmanship of medieval swords (every design feature has it's reasons), but they were definately very good at what they were doing in the early days. Especially considering that they perfectly copied the bronze swords into iron versions, when forging iron was only just introduced. As bronze was cast, complexe shapes weren't that much more difficult, while in the case of forging that's and entirely different matter.

Nice sword Steve Happy
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Oct, 2006 2:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Very nice, Steve. Excellent workmanship!!!
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Steve L.





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PostPosted: Wed 22 Nov, 2006 9:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yesterday i get my new bronze Mindelheim-sword from Neil Burridge.

Looks like a very-well-preserved original blade! Eek! Authentic alloy, clear lines, i have only to drill the holes for the rivets, to hammer the angle-nail for the pommel and to carve the hilt (wood or ivory).


(Source: http://www.templeresearch.eclipse.co.uk)

It´s a 1000gr-bronze-monster, length 83cm!

I love it!
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PostPosted: Wed 22 Nov, 2006 10:26 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Steve L. wrote:
Yesterday i get my new bronze Mindelheim-sword from Neil Burridge.

Looks like a very-well-preserved original blade! Eek! Authentic alloy, clear lines, i have only to drill the holes for the rivets, to hammer the angle-nail for the pommel and to carve the hilt (wood or ivory).




Neil suggests on his site that he is going to cast bronze hilt components (or maybe I'm getting confused with another sword)?
Geoff
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Steve L.





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PostPosted: Wed 22 Nov, 2006 10:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That´s correkt - Neil work at the 1:1-reco of the Kemmathen-sword. It was with bronze pommel and hilt plates. (The original is in the Archaeologische Staatssammlung in Munich.)
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Steve L.





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PostPosted: Wed 29 Nov, 2006 8:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A pic of my one - with customized-by-me-anglenail (heated and hammered out):



(Probs to see the pic? Try: http://www.archaeoforum.de/viewtopic.php?t=905&start=15 )
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Nov, 2006 6:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Steve,
She's a deusey! Will you post a picture of the completed sword?

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Steve L.





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PostPosted: Thu 30 Nov, 2006 1:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

When i´ve finished the sword, i´ll post some pics.
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jan, 2007 10:25 am    Post subject: Mindelheim from the UK!         Reply with quote

Neil Burridge just send me an image of a mindelheim sword found the UK, the first one I've seen so far. It was found as part of the Llyn Fawr hoard, after which the last period of the bronze age was called (Llyn Fawr phase, 800-700BC). The sword is generally described as being iron, and the earliest occurence of iron in the UK. However, Neil noticed that the blade can never be iron, but has to be bronze. And I agree. The blade is far to crisp to be iron, and the patina is also typical for bronze. However, the hilt plates do look like they're iron! That's a pretty unique combination. So far I've seen bronze mindleheims with bronze hilt parts, iron mindelheims with bronze hilt parts and iron mindelheims with iron/bronze hilt parts. The blade looks very nice on this one, very close to the blade on the Kemmathen sword which Neil is selling.

One note: please don't redistribute the image. Neil asked for special permission for me to use it.



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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jan, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Mindelheim from the UK!         Reply with quote

Jeroen Zuiderwijk wrote:
.... The blade looks very nice on this one, very close to the blade on the Kemmathen sword which Neil is selling....
The remaining details look beautiful on that blade! Thanks for posting it, Jeroen.
"...dismount thy tuck, be yare in thy preparation, for thy assailant is quick, skilful, and deadly."
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Steve L.





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PostPosted: Tue 26 Feb, 2008 9:01 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

it´s done (sorry, since 2006 i was a little busy):



Hiltplates of hazlenut, glued with birchtar and riveted with bronze.



Pommel of hazlenut too, hideglued on the hilt and fixed hot on the tang. There´s a bone disc under the bronze phalera for accurate pressure.
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Apr, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Big Grin Jeroen! Jeroen!
Is that a copy of Cheiftan of Oss sword in these picture, from your photo album Big Grin Cool




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