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Juraj S




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PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb, 2017 2:14 pm    Post subject: Gallica         Reply with quote

Mart Shearer wrote:
As far as I know, the 1296 Paris Armourer's Ordinances are the earliest detailed description for making gambesons. Fabric coverings are filled with cotton and rags, with a minimum weight given, but not a thickness given.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k55440899/f329.item.zoom

The book is pure gold. Thank you.
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Ed W.




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PostPosted: Tue 07 Feb, 2017 10:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Great discussion here,

A couple of effigies that might be of interest,

William Marmion (1276) http://www.themcs.org/armour/knights/Winterin...6%2075.JPG

John de Walkyngham (1284) http://www.themcs.org/armour/knights/Felixkir...%20120.JPG
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Mark Moore




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PostPosted: Wed 08 Feb, 2017 6:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ed W.--Not to get too far off the subject, but both effigies appear to be wearing helms made of mail--over a mail coif. Is this correct? Or am I mistaken? That's sure what it looks like to me. WTF?! ........McM
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Ed W.




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PostPosted: Wed 08 Feb, 2017 10:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Mark,

Yup, a separate cap of mail over the coif is pretty common in 13th C artwork and effigies. It's possible that there's a steel skull cap in between as well.

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Mark Moore




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PostPosted: Wed 08 Feb, 2017 11:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I thought it rather resembled a cloth or leather cap with mail sewn onto it. I suppose there could be a steel helm underneath it. At any rate, it gives me an idea for an old mail coif and an old arming cap I have laying around! Big Grin ....McM
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Mark Moore




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PostPosted: Wed 08 Feb, 2017 8:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hah! Just finished it! One old, cheapo mail coif--one old, threadbare padded arming cap--a few cuts with the tin-snips--some linen thread and a needle--45 minutes--Presto, *New head-gear!* Cool...Looks just like the effigies! Thanks for posting those photos! Big Grin .....McM
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Joshua McGee





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PostPosted: Thu 09 Feb, 2017 1:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mark Moore wrote:
Hah! Just finished it! One old, cheapo mail coif--one old, threadbare padded arming cap--a few cuts with the tin-snips--some linen thread and a needle--45 minutes--Presto, *New head-gear!* Cool...Looks just like the effigies! Thanks for posting those photos! Big Grin .....McM


You know we all want pictures! Big Grin
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Mark Moore




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PostPosted: Thu 09 Feb, 2017 6:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have a very difficult time posting photos, but it's on my list. I have plenty of things I want to show photos of, but my equipment and knowledge is sub-par to say the least. When my niece comes to visit, there will be a flood of all kinds of pics! Big Grin ...McM
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