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Mart Shearer




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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2016 8:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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hann hét mér fornt skinn ok skinnrokk from latin “Promisit ueteres cum pellicia michi pelles”


Pelles's English equivalent is pelts, or skins with the fur remaining. I would suspect this is a surcoat lined with squirrel, i.e. vair.
http://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/cpg848/0118

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2016 9:03 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mart Shearer wrote:
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hann hét mér fornt skinn ok skinnrokk from latin “Promisit ueteres cum pellicia michi pelles”


Pelles's English equivalent is pelts, or skins with the fur remaining. I would suspect this is a surcoat lined with squirrel, i.e. vair.
http://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/cpg848/0118


If this is the case that is actually precisely what is mentioned in the complaint from German Baltic cities to Copenhagen in 1342 I mentioned above.
In the Danish translation it was called a "våbentrøje" with "mårskin" (skin of marten), so I think it likely that the Middle Low German original had "wafenroc/wapenroc".
So more extravagant having a fur-lining on your surcoat!
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2016 12:28 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Perhaps a fur lining is a necessity in the Baltic winter. My experience is that the padded coat (aketon/panzara, etc.) can become damp with perspiration or rain, and mail offers no resistance to the wind. Combined with metal's ability to radiate heat quickly, hypothermia can become a real risk.
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PostPosted: Thu 24 Mar, 2016 3:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mart Shearer wrote:
Perhaps a fur lining is a necessity in the Baltic winter. My experience is that the padded coat (aketon/panzara, etc.) can become damp with perspiration or rain, and mail offers no resistance to the wind. Combined with metal's ability to radiate heat quickly, hypothermia can become a real risk.


It sounds very plausible!
That idea combines both practical use and extravagance!
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