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Mart Shearer




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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jul, 2015 4:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Another option is to attach the simple spaulders to the pair of plates. Several of the armours recovered from the Battle of Wisby in 1361 have these.
http://www.hoashantverk.se/hantverk/hoas_rust...front.html
http://www.hoashantverk.se/hantverk/hoas_rust...front.html
http://www.hoashantverk.se/hantverk/hoas_rust...insid.html
http://www.hoashantverk.se/hantverk/hoas_rust..._back.html
http://www.hoashantverk.se/hantverk/hoas_rust..._27bc.html

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Mart Shearer




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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jul, 2015 4:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

S. Andrew B. wrote:
Thanks again, Mart. I had that exact concern, of using the arming points through the maille. Sounds like lacing to the maille itself is the way to go. It also keeps an arming point/aiguillette from rubbing on the top of your shoulder. That doesn't sound comfortable.


That's the way I laced my ailettes, marked the mail with brass rings, and ran the aglets through. When you put on the mail, you don't have to have someone trying to fish through the neck opening to get the aglet through a ring.

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S. Andrew B.




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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jul, 2015 4:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mart Shearer wrote:
Another option is to attach the simple spaulders to the pair of plates. Several of the armours recovered from the Battle of Wisby in 1361 have these.
http://www.hoashantverk.se/hantverk/hoas_rust...front.html
http://www.hoashantverk.se/hantverk/hoas_rust...front.html
http://www.hoashantverk.se/hantverk/hoas_rust...insid.html
http://www.hoashantverk.se/hantverk/hoas_rust..._back.html
http://www.hoashantverk.se/hantverk/hoas_rust..._27bc.html


Interesting. Would it be too forward to think of making these removable via strap and buckle?

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Mart Shearer




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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jul, 2015 6:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I think a few English effigies start showing multi-lamed spaulders as early as the 1340s, but the top edge is almost always concealed beneath the aventail. Perhaps they were attached with points, perhaps buckled. If it's concealed, the best we can do is offer speculation.
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jul, 2015 7:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

To throw a spanner into the works: braies might not even have been sewn at all!

http://hibernaatio.blogspot.com/2014/04/nain-...tteen.html

As for the shirt, I think it might be a good idea to take a detour and try making an early medieval T-tunic first, using something like the cutting methods described in this page: http://www.forest.gen.nz/Medieval/articles/Tunics/TUNICS.HTML

The T-tunic as such (with flared skirt and all) was the basic form of medieval clothing into the early decades of the 14th century. While it's on the way out during the period you have in mind (1330s-1350s), it still formed the basis for the construction of undershirts (well into the 19th century, in fact!), and knowing how to construct a tunic this way would help you make sense of the gradual transition towards the much more closely fitted and shaped clothing of the cotehardie era later in the century.
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S. Andrew B.




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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jul, 2015 9:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Lafayette C Curtis wrote:
To throw a spanner into the works: braies might not even have been sewn at all!

http://hibernaatio.blogspot.com/2014/04/nain-...tteen.html



This is very interesting. It's a very practical and elegant solution to an undergarment. I'm curious to see how this method would stay put during an active day of cavorting/combat.

Does anyone know of any evidence that would dispute or confirm this? I've seen some very strong opinions on how things "were always" but the scientist in me questions how they're so certain in their claims.

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Will S




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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jul, 2015 3:07 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'm difficult, and wanted clothing for Agincourt era, which is in the weird period between fashions. After much research, it seemed the most accurate thing to do with the braies for that time would be to not attach hose to braies at all, but to the doublet. The braies are standalone, and the tops of the hose (which for my period would be almost joined, but certainly far higher and more covering than chausses) are pointed to the bottom of the doublet. Doesn't help you much unfortunately!
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S. Andrew B.




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PostPosted: Wed 12 Aug, 2015 4:04 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello everyone,

I'm wondering if anyone has any good resources for gauntlet construction?

As always, please and thank you!

P.S. An update on my progress: got the shirt pattern and construction down. I learned all about hand finishing flat seams and making up sleeves and setting gussets and all that fun stuff (not sarcasm, it really is fun). Then I decided that the linen I used for my final project was on the heavy side for my taste, so I'll be doing one more iteration with a much lighter weight linen, then I'll be moving on to hose probably. As for braies, I keep looking at that link Lafayette posted with the loin-cloth style braies and I have to say I'm liking it more and more.

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