[Mike Ruhala]

In Oakeshott's Records you have X.12 and X.14 but it seems like short swords are rarely seen in Middle Ages collections. I have heard that short swords were somewhat more popular in Finland but there again they rarely show up in the books. Is there really a shortage of surviving examples or is this a bias like you see with antique bowie knives where the more common pieces with blades around 7 inches simply aren't as appealing to most modern collectors and enthusiasts so they tend to get left out of books in favor of larger and more impressive specimens?

Also, I've heard it said that early writings from before swords made with long grips for use in two hands were common that "long sword" referred to a single handed weapon with a long blade. Further it's been suggested that the basic convention may have been derived from Roman weaponry, the spatha being the archetype of "long sword" and the gladius being the "short sword." Anybody have information to support or refute that idea?

After the 15th c. short swords are more readily found of course, whether they take the form of messer, cinquedea, katzbalger or similar. It's just odd to me that there's such a void in the pre-15th c. era, we know such swords did exist but were they really as rare as the modern evidence seems to suggest?

ETA: for my purposes here I would consider a sword with a blade less than 28 inches to be "short."

[Lafayette C Curtis]

Oakeshott seems to believe that surviving short swords are quite rare -- in contrast to how common they were in literature -- because they were rather more utilitarian and thus more likely to get used up, in a similar way to how the number of surviving falchions is not very representative of their actual popularity in their heyday. I don't know how true his conjecture is, of course.

[Michael Beeching]

I think there is a useful parallel to make to WWII aviation with regards to weapons from hundreds of years ago:

Ask yourself: how many fighter planes from the second world war survive today? There may be quite a number you know of, or have seen in person, but how many are there, really? There were over 30,000 Bf-109s produced, and a similar number of Sturmoviks... but how many survive? Not many at all.

Old and broken things get replaced or recycled. The reason you find antiques, obviously, is that either (a.) they were preserved and did not break, or (b.) they were discarded and have survived in part, as nature could not erode them before we recovered them. How many thousands of weapons of a given type existed, but that type was phased out for something else in the course of time? Especially in Europe, where technology could change to a great extent who used what and in what quantities? Moreover, how may have laws at the time affected old, used arms, such that the everyday man-at-arms weapon is not a common find?

[Sean Flynt]

I see many of them in German/Austrian artwork of the 15th and 16th c.: http://myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=267...ight=peter

[Tyler Jordan]

[Jeremiah Swanger]