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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr, 2014 6:30 am    Post subject: Piece of helmet from British Musuem         Reply with quote

Hi. I found this photo from exhibition from British Musuem. Do you know what is this small bronze/gold eye? A piece of helmet? Maybe you know something more?


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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr, 2014 6:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It is an eye piece from Gevninge near Ljere in Denmark. It is thought to be one of a pair from a helmet and it is gilded copper-alloy. It is almost certainly pre-Viking and was found in what is thought to be ritual circumstances, in other words it may have been given to the gods.
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That axe head looks worth recreating....hint...hint...Owen B. ....Anyone? Wink ............McM
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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr, 2014 11:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Surprised What are my eyes seeing? A conical helmet that i had never seen before! is anyone aware of the origin of this conical?
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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr, 2014 11:26 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Its a repro. No idea what its based on

And not a very good one imho, got a weird surface like a melted candle

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr, 2014 11:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Thank you for sharing the pic. Two questions though. Do you have any information on where the Nasal Helm is from and when saying that the Eye piece is earlier do you mean Vendel Period or earlier still? I look forward to eventually seeing this exhibition myself Big Grin
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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr, 2014 11:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

as for the eyebrow, from the catalog:

partially gilt copper alloy, late iron age/viking age, Gevininge, Zealand, Denmark.
Roskilde 1994 A124xl

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr, 2014 11:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The skull section is wonderful (in a bad kind of way). I'm doing demos for the exhibition and people still don't believe its been done by a weapon.
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Apr, 2014 4:29 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Bruno Giordan wrote:
Surprised What are my eyes seeing? A conical helmet that i had never seen before! is anyone aware of the origin of this conical?

The object you are seeing is a copy/replica (not the best) of a conical helmet found in the Lednica Lake, in Poland, between Poznań and Gniezno (52.524885, 17.376373 google maps).

More details about the helmet (in polish):
http://znaleziska.org/wiki/index.php/He%C5%82...Lednickie)

The original can be seen on this picture:
http://znaleziska.org/wiki/index.php/Plik:Helmlednica04.jpg
(destruction happened during it's conservation).
It's stored in Muzeum Pierwszych Piastów w Lednicy:
http://lednica.pl/


Besides the age the helmet does not have anything in common with the vikings.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Apr, 2014 5:41 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The eyepiece's closest parallels are from the Vendel Period - nothing like it has ever been found from a later context. It is a metal detector find, so had little context and the area has not yet been fully excavated. although the area is thought to be a settlement site. (Christensen, 2002 Kongens mand – guld og hjelm fra Gevninge in J. Pind, A.N. Jørgensen, L.
Jørgensen, B. Storgård, P.O. Rindel & J. Ilkjær, eds. Drik – og du vil leve skønt. Copenhagen:
National Museum of Denmark, pp. 41-5..).
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Apr, 2014 2:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A couple of clearer pics for you....


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Aug, 2017 3:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nothing like replying to a thread three years after the fact, but there's now a Wikipedia page on the Gevninge fragment which contains most of the published information on it. There's also a relatively new (2015) book by Tom Christensen (Lejre bag myten: de arkæologiske udgravninger), but it is unfortunately only in Danish.

Christensen dates Gevninge to 500–1000 AD, which accounts for the fragment being dated to either the late Iron Age or the Viking Age. Paul is right, however, that dating the piece based on its stylistic characteristics suggests a tighter date (550–700 AD per his paper).

It is interesting that the fragment has three holes, presumably attachment points, on both its top and its bottom. This suggests a slightly more elaborate helmet than that sketched by Christensen (2002, see attachment). It could, for example, fit onto something such as the nose/eye guards on the Vendel I (picture) or Valsgärde 5 (picture attached) helmets.



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2002 - Drik, og du vil leve skønt - Kongens mand, guld og hjelm fra Gevninge - Figure 6 [ Download ]
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