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PostPosted: Tue 20 Oct, 2020 2:49 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

What do you see here: https://www.clevelandart.org/art/1916.1897 Don't those look like theta rings on the chest?
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Nov, 2020 3:57 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I believe this is mail from Poland: http://muzeum.sanok.pl/images/stories/amm_3_p...iewicz.pdf
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PostPosted: Tue 01 Dec, 2020 5:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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Don't those look like theta rings on the chest?

It's either that or they are really tiny buckles. Big Grin

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Dec, 2020 5:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A silvered brass mail shirt from Bulgaria: https://sagy.vikingove.cz/decorative-edging-of-mail-armour/
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Some photos of a mail shirt I am trying to get some opinions about, as to approximate time and place of manufacture. Oh, and large areas of the shirt are of alternating riveted and solid construction. https://photos.app.goo.gl/busr55ZpAmiwZBXU8
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PostPosted: Sat 19 Dec, 2020 7:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

James Arlen Gillaspie wrote:
Some photos of a mail shirt I am trying to get some opinions about, as to approximate time and place of manufacture. Oh, and large areas of the shirt are of alternating riveted and solid construction. https://photos.app.goo.gl/busr55ZpAmiwZBXU8

Right over left overlap. Wedge riveting. Watershed peining. Alternating solid and riveted rows. My guess would be German, perhaps 12-14th C.

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I was thinking German before 1370. It strikes me as a bit light to be a primary defense, so I would put it late enough to have a coat of plates at least. I will add more photos of other parts. Another fellow who has a good reputation for historical mail thinks the collar is European 15th century added to a high quality Islamic shirt. Islamic mail with a smooth underside is new to me, unless imported/captured.
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I have added more photos. When you click on the photo, there will be a brief description of the photo in the comments. https://photos.app.goo.gl/busr55ZpAmiwZBXU8
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PostPosted: Mon 01 Mar, 2021 1:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mongolian: https://montsame.mn/en/read/251489 Looks like it has a vertical weave.
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PostPosted: Mon 01 Mar, 2021 8:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Len Parker wrote:
Mongolian: https://montsame.mn/en/read/251489 Looks like it has a vertical weave.

The photo looks pretty dodgy and the description is wrong. It is physically impossible for it to have links made from 0.3mm wire and weigh 29 kg.

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Dan Howard wrote:
Len Parker wrote:
Mongolian: https://montsame.mn/en/read/251489 Looks like it has a vertical weave.

The photo looks pretty dodgy and the description is wrong. It is physically impossible for it to have links made from 0.3mm wire and weigh 29 kg.


Not only 0.3 mm wire, but really damn wide rings too. WTF?!

This wire doesn't look very thin at all, either.


Perhaps somebody'd just messed up some of the units?


29 pounds thus about 13 kg, and 0.3 cm wire would make way more sense.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jun, 2021 8:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Look at the ID to wire thickness ratio on this: http://www.futuremuseum.co.uk/collections/peo.../mail.aspx Wish I knew what this is. They got the six in one wrong.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jun, 2021 8:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Also, they have this as medieval http://www.futuremuseum.co.uk/collections/peo...-mail.aspx but it looks roman to me.
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