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Len Parker





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PostPosted: Wed 05 Dec, 2018 8:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's the site for this mail: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mail_armour_images_from_Livrustkammaren Most of these look eastern. That second mail pic I showed looks more like indian or late russian to me. There are other shirts here showing the same technique, where it looks like direct hammer to ring contact is happening.
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 5:39 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Len Parker wrote:
Here's the site for this mail: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mail_armour_images_from_Livrustkammaren Most of these look eastern. That second mail pic I showed looks more like indian or late russian to me. There are other shirts here showing the same technique, where it looks like direct hammer to ring contact is happening.


A great collection but look at the horrible images, what a waste, we could probably learn a lot from these armors if they were correctly photographed but dont hold your breath.

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jan, 2019 12:26 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

What do you think of this: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/7881368072049373 "Lower body and sleeves are not riveted but soldered rings with round cross-section"

This might be the same shirt: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/124412008430633808 "each rivet reinforced with latten solder, the lower body and arms of butted rings similarly reinforced"

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jan, 2019 1:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I found the shirt: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/7881368072049347 but no close-ups yet. The sleeves and bottom definitely look different.
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jan, 2019 8:57 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Eric S wrote:
Len Parker wrote:
Here's the site for this mail: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mail_armour_images_from_Livrustkammaren Most of these look eastern. That second mail pic I showed looks more like indian or late russian to me. There are other shirts here showing the same technique, where it looks like direct hammer to ring contact is happening.


A great collection but look at the horrible images, what a waste, we could probably learn a lot from these armors if they were correctly photographed but dont hold your breath.


Actually Eric, at least some of the photographs are excellent. You simply have to download the original file from Wikipedia. The image entitled "Ringbrynja_med_halvarmar_-_Livrustkammaren_-_106763.tif" is 6,870 pixels by 5,402 pixels in size, for example. Here's a close up of a section of the mail in the picture, so you can see what that looks like.



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Len Parker





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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan, 2019 8:43 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I didn't get Eric's criticism. I thought he just being picky. Here's the wikimedia site with the larger sizes of that flattened mail: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pansarskjorte%C3%A4rm,_Alskogs_ka_-_Livrustkammaren_-_19343.tif I would say that it looks flattened. There is a slight bump around the rivet but not pronounced like it usually is. I don't know how to prove it's european other than it looks similar to the tofta coif.
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan, 2019 10:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's the main page for all the links: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Historical_mail_armour
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Feb, 2019 3:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Len Parker wrote:
I didn't get Eric's criticism. I thought he just being picky. Here's the wikimedia site with the larger sizes of that flattened mail: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pansarskjorte%C3%A4rm,_Alskogs_ka_-_Livrustkammaren_-_19343.tif I would say that it looks flattened. There is a slight bump around the rivet but not pronounced like it usually is. I don't know how to prove it's european other than it looks similar to the tofta coif.
len, your right about this image, its very clear, close and detailed, and there are some other very good images as will but there are a huge amount of armor images and weapons images at the museum, including a lot of really rare armors that do not have close detailed images. Before they were on Wiki I would use the museum database and I guess I am a bit fustrated seeing all these amazing items were you can not see the details.
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