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Mark Griffin




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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jul, 2013 6:27 am    Post subject: Reproduction Almain rivet cuirsass and arms by Per Jensen         Reply with quote

My company is doing work in the north of England to do with the anniversary of the Battle of Flodden and as I didn't want to do the 'my grandad wore this at Bosworth but I've got a different helmet with a new feather in it' thing I decided that I needed a decent representation of armour based on extant examples from 'local' sources. Toby Capwell advised me that Per Lillelund Jensen had a liking for the period and had made many examples and to cut a long story short, here you go.

Per has done a great job which I'm really pleased with and i can't wait to see it. Unfortunately i won't see it before it gets used by my staff but I'll be wearing it at Hampton Court Palace for the August Bank Holiday 'Mars and Venus' joust



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Mark Griffin




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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jul, 2013 6:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Another view. Its got lovely lines. So lovely that when Per blacked it with linseed he decided that the shape was lost somewhat so re-polished it to this nice matte finish, good choice i think.


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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jul, 2013 8:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A very nice no-nonsense badass look. Somehow I'm getting the "polo shirt and body armour" vibe of a modern PMC operator from this one.
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Mark Griffin




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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jul, 2013 9:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If I knew what the heck you were talking about........ :-)

PMC?
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jul, 2013 11:14 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nice commission, Mark!

A real munition armour reproduction, rather than a shabby version of knightly armour excused as munition armour... I hope the market for this sort expands, because I am aching to make more of it, too.

Will it be accompanied by a helmet?

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Mark Griffin




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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jul, 2013 11:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

One of my many mantras (along with 'I wouldn't scratch that if I were you...') is 'its better to make good copies of bad armour than make bad copies of good armour' which i repeat ad nauseum to many people.

Of course this isn't 'bad' its just low grade and 'mass produced'. But even munition armourers were made by craftsmen who knew what they were doing and had a real skill with the eyes to go with it. Its a lovely example of the type, getting very keen to play with it.

Unfortunately my budget stopped at a helmet to match. That would have cost as much as the cuirass and arms, a decent bellows faced or simple flat faced one similar to the examples in the Wallace would have been great but no money for the first and don't care much for the 2nd!

I'm have a simple skull to go with it, although i do have my eyes on a nice late English open faced fluted sallet with Rondels.....
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jul, 2013 12:07 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mark Griffin wrote:
If I knew what the heck you were talking about........ :-)

PMC?


I believe he was referring to Private Military Contractors/Companies.
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jul, 2013 12:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Quote:
'its better to make good copies of bad armour than make bad copies of good armour'

That is a good mantra.

I am sure the harness will look good with a simple skull cap, though a sallet would look great too.

I am making a reproduction of one of the flat-visor sallets from the Wallace Collection (a82) right now, and I must admit that it is growing on me. I have some progress pics on FB, if you want to check it out.

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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jul, 2013 12:45 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

yes, just looked at that.

No doubt if I had one for a while I'd maybe grow attached but apart from its obvious excellent functionality I'm not keen on the look. Probably would fit really well with the harness though...
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jul, 2013 1:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Perīs work is outstanding and I am very happy to see this example of his work. Great theme and wonderful execution.
An honor to both maker and owner!
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Mark Griffin




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PostPosted: Sat 06 Jul, 2013 2:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for the positive comments. Its feeling a bit unreal about it as its the first time I've ever had any armour made without many fittings or much in the way of input. It was pretty much 'here is some money, make me something early 16th cent, i trust you...'

As it was a more general fit i simply took some measurements here and emailed them to Per.Looks like it will work but strange not to have hung about a workshop for a few days whilst calipers have been all over me!
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Jul, 2013 3:45 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Proper munitons armour. About time. Good job.
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Jul, 2013 5:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I love this. It looks light and maneuverable. I bet it would be perfect for HEMA.
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Jul, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This is really neat looking armor--it's nice to see something other than the commonly reproduced copies of more expensive full and half harnesses. I second the badass look comment as well
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