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Kai Lawson





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PostPosted: Sun 16 Feb, 2014 8:41 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Looking at some of the brasses and effigies, I found some interesting images. I know mail doesn't stretch much (very little), but if the chin area were made large on purpose, and the facial opening were drawn with cord, compressing the rings close, could one have a more form-fitting 'slip off' coif? The whole thing would look like a stretched and distorted normal coif when not in use, rather than a partially tailored tube. Also, could the bands around the brow be to hold the mail in place AND to hold open part of the face opening, if the cord were drawn quite tight?

I may just be re-iterating what was decided before. Regardless, I agree with the multiple tailoring styles opinion.



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If the chin were tailored to fit only when the face were drawn fully, but the rest was tailored to slide on and off, then the coif might look like this. The band on the brow is clearly not touching the face opening--likely just holding the coif in place.

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Mart Shearer




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PostPosted: Tue 29 Apr, 2014 11:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Another statue for study. Most likely this is another example where the chin is pulled to the face with laces.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/1693943116/in/set-72157602530183550/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/1693083657/in/set-72157602530183550/

There are examples of some laces tied behind the head which could be used for the purpose.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b6000110d/f28.item



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Isak Krogh




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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun, 2014 8:16 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I kind of liked this topic and thought I'd try to revive it.. Happy

I did some experimenting a few months ago with my butted coif and thought it turned out ok. I added a ventail and contracted the maille in the back from the hat-line to the neck. When I loosen the ventail I can pull the coif back over my head and when I tie it up it fits rather securely and does not move.



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Tom Delvaux




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PostPosted: Thu 23 Apr, 2015 11:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Trying to find the right tailoring for your coif takes some time, so replying to a long abandonned post might not be such a sin.
I was recently reading around since I'm reworking yet another coif...

After all the iconography and effigies I wanted to add this source: a 13th century coif, found at the Tofta church in Gotland, Sweden.
http://www.actakonservering.se/konservering-ringbrynjehuva.html

If anybody to date has found a good configuration, don't hesitate to brag and maybe share you insights ;-).
Tom

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PostPosted: Thu 23 Apr, 2015 1:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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The reproductions that are available on the market are not even close.


And as we have no idea what the padding/lings are you have to guess that too. That guy in the repro will be loosing his skin pretty fast and if he even has a slight impact, his teeth too.

Not that that mail is any good at all....

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