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Chad Arnow
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Here are more pavises, from the Historisches Museum der Stadt Wien. From the book Wehrhafte Stadt: Das Wiener Buergerliche Zeughaus im 15. und 16. Jahrhundert.
There are actually probably another 10 pavises pictured in colour in this book (and more in small B&W pics), but these are the best of the bunch.
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Oleg Naumov
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One more pavise shield is here. This is the real example from collection of Artillery museum in St. Petersburg. Visitors are not allowed to take pictures at that particular exhibition. Fortunately I was allowed to take a picture with the cell phone camera. That’s why the quality of that pictures isn’t high.
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Josh Watson
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I see a lot of good information on dimensions and construction, but I would like to know if anyone knows how much a pavise would weigh, depending on period, of course?
The first step to becoming wise is to know that you know nothing.
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Chad Arnow
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Check out the mega-pavise here.
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Chad Arnow
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Here are some pavises from the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Photos by me (sorry!).
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Hand pavise.
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Another pavise
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Pavises in their cases for scale. That sword is about 4 feet long!
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Bjorn Hagstrom
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On the large pavises, there are many examples with central spine and a beak-like projection. Does anyone know what the function of that "beak" would be? I can imagine why the central spine/ridge makes sense, but that little beak makes my brain itch with curiosity...
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F. Carl Holz
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would dueling shields be a sort of pavise as well?
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Adam O'Byrne
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| Bjorn Hagstrom wrote: | | On the large pavises, there are many examples with central spine and a beak-like projection. Does anyone know what the function of that "beak" would be? I can imagine why the central spine/ridge makes sense, but that little beak makes my brain itch with curiosity... |
Completely uneducated guess here but it looked to me like the ridge and beak might be some sort of interlocking system to place a third pavise on top of two others to form a ceiling?
In some other pictures ( like the last few in this post ) there are a few specimens with what look like hooks or rings protruding from the top center of the pavise, my first thought when I saw them was if the ring or hook in the center of the top of two separate pavises was used to seat the spikes on either side of the bottom of a third then you could have a more versatile construction block for defense, using it as either a larger vertical wall or possibly angling the top row back to form a roof.
Just brainstorming , I'm not a professor or anything - but I am also interested in these medieval multi tools.
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James Head
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| Chad Arnow wrote: | | Check out the mega-pavise here. |
Fantastic illustration. Where did you find this image? Do you know if those are supposed to be Hussites behind the large pavise with the 'bouche' cut out? The chalice painted on the shield and the war flails make me think so.
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Chad Arnow
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| James Head wrote: | | Fantastic illustration. Where did you find this image? |
I believe it was the old Bruno Thomas book Harnische. The book is in German, so I can't tell you a lot about it. Some neat pictures, though.
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Vrin Thomas
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I have heard second (or third) hand that the word Pavise comes from the town of Pavia in Italy and that their cottage industry was the shield. Is there any truth to this?
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| Adam O'Byrne wrote: |
Completely uneducated guess here but it looked to me like the ridge and beak might be some sort of interlocking system to place a third pavise on top of two others to form a ceiling?
In some other pictures ( like the last few in this post ) there are a few specimens with what look like hooks or rings protruding from the top center of the pavise, my first thought when I saw them was if the ring or hook in the center of the top of two separate pavises was used to seat the spikes on either side of the bottom of a third then you could have a more versatile construction block for defense, using it as either a larger vertical wall or possibly angling the top row back to form a roof.
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That is not a bad theory at all. I suppose in a siege situation where the enemy has very high ground it would be a good idea to add a protective layer on top.
Another theory, depending on the height of the pavise, could the beak be there to be a support to aim a crossbow?
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Chad Arnow
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Here is another one, from the Munchner Stadtmuseum. I believe it's a hand pavise.
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Fabrice Cognot
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This is a Pavise from Schloss Tirol (Tirol, close to the city of Meran)
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