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Michael L Smith
Location: Mt. Pocono, PA Joined: 24 Aug 2003
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Joel,
(I read Heany's translation and I haev a hard time seeing why some people have problems with it.)
For one thing, as I mentioned above, Heaney's translation almost ignores the Anglo-Saxon use of kennings. Without them, you lose a a great deal of the flavour of the original poem. He also uses a lot of Celtic expressions which have no corresponding value to the Anglo-Saxon language. Heaney also uses a lot of contemporary expressions ("He was one good king comes to mind") really distort the meaning of the original phrases.
I will give Heaney credit for putting Beowulf on the best-selling charts. There are just better translations out there that capture the essence of the poem far better.
Regards
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Joe Maccarrone
Location: Burien, WA USA Joined: 19 Sep 2003
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I would like to add, for those who don't already know it, that Michael Drout, is currently preparing Tolkien's prose translation of Beowulf for publication in 2005. That should be a real treat.
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Oh, my..
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Dan Crowther
Location: Valley Falls, NY Joined: 18 May 2004
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Andrew,
As a blacksmith who is interested making props for movies such as Beowulf and Grendel I was wondering if you could clue us in on how people are chosen to do that work. Metalworker props guild, word of mouth, talent local to the film location, dumb luck or some other criteria?
Thanks!
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Steve Maly
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As good as the live-action version looks to be, I fear that Hollywood will still have a hand at ruining the story...Toy Story meets Beowulf...  http://586.typepad.com/hecklerspray/2005/06/b...ing_3.html
"When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail." ~A. Maslow
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Dan Dickinson
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Perhaps you already know this Steve, and were referring to it, but the movie you commented on is actually a second version, produced by a different director and writer than the one that this topic has been referring to.
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Steve Maly
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| Dan Dickinson wrote: |
Perhaps you already know this Steve, and were referring to it, but the movie you commented on is actually a second version, produced by a different director and writer than the one that this topic has been referring to. |
Yes, I realize they are 2 separate movies, though "Beowulf movies" would be on topic. 
"When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail." ~A. Maslow
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Joe Yurgil
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When is this supposed to come out? The live action one i mean. I searched though the site for a bit but i couldnt find a reliese date. 
Sjá, þar sé ek föður minn.
Sjá, þar sé ek móður mina ok systur mina ok bróður minn.
Sjá, þar sé ek allan minn frændgarð.
Sjá, kalla þeim tíl min.
Biðja mér at taka minn stað hjá þeim í sölum Valhallar, þar drengiligr menn munu lifa allan aldr.
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Paul Mortimer
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I have seen 10th October 2005 mentioned - but I am not sure where.
Paul
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Patrik Erik Lars Lindblom
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Joachim Nilsson
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Wow... They actually managed to make Grendel look like... a WWF wrestler...
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Patrik Erik Lars Lindblom
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Wow... They actually managed to make Grendel look like... a WWF wrestler... |
 Yep! with "Hull o Hår"
it's looks great, naturel and real so far 
Frid o Fröjd!
Patrik
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Jim Adelsen
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Sure would like to see this one. Weapons and armor look pretty good. Certainly give the Viking feel more than 13th Warrior. haha Doesn't sound like it keeps that close to the original story which I guess is good or bad. A movie has to be really good when you know the story.
www.viking-shield.com
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Elonas Kvietkus
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I'm glad I finaly joined myArmoury.com forums 'cause without it I wouldn't even knew this movie egsists.
As far as I can see from the trailer this should be something closer to real life.
It's nice to see there are film producers able to make something closer to truth than common ridleyscoting.
I expect this would be as good as "The Ring of The Nibelungs" was.
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Wolfgang Armbruster
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Nice trailer 
Did I see some vikong-longswords? Hmmm, looks like they're trying to use single-handers with two hands.
Apart from that the costumes and weapons look authentic
Concerning Grendel: I think his design is ok. If we consider that his character is probably a Troll then it's rather realistic and true to the facts. Some people think that the Troll-myths are based on old orally passed down stories about encounters between Humans and the last Neanderthalers. That's an interesting thought, but still pure speculation.
(impossible if you ask me)
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Mikko Kuusirati
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| Wolfgang Armbruster wrote: | Nice trailer
Did I see some vikong-longswords? Hmmm, looks like they're trying to use single-handers with two hands.
Apart from that the costumes and weapons look authentic |
There's historical precedent for wielding a one-hander with both hands, for example after losing one's shield (which seems to have been a common enough occurrence).
| Quote: | Concerning Grendel: I think his design is ok. If we consider that his character is probably a Troll then it's rather realistic and true to the facts. Some people think that the Troll-myths are based on old orally passed down stories about encounters between Humans and the last Neanderthalers. That's an interesting thought, but still pure speculation.
(impossible if you ask me) |
Not impossible in the least - Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthaliensis lived side by side for a good long while. We still don't know for sure what actually happened to the Neanderthals - were they assimilated by H. sapiens? genocided by the same? become extinct on their own? No conclusive evidence has as of yet been discovered (or presented, in any case).
"And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
— Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum
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Edward Hitchens
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Wow, just as I was getting used to Gerard as the Phantom! Cool trailer. Any idea on when it comes out in the US?
"The whole art of government consists in the art of being honest." Thomas Jefferson
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Bob Burns
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Not impossible in the least - Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthaliensis lived side by side for a good long while. We still don't know for sure what actually happened to the Neanderthals - were they assimilated by H. sapiens? genocided by the same? become extinct on their own? No conclusive evidence has as of yet been discovered (or presented, in any case).[/quote]
Here is one very interesting book or should I say tome, as it is over 850 pages.
What they do not want you to know!
Forbidden Archeology by Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson
http://www.mcremo.com/
Bob
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Wolfgang Armbruster
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I don't doubt that modern man or the Cro Magnons met Neanderthalers. That happened for sure.
But I doubt that the troll-myth comes from there.
@ Bob Burns: I hope that guy is not in league with these intelligent design I%$"%$%$§%
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Mikko Kuusirati
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| Edward Hitchens wrote: | | Wow, just as I was getting used to Gerard as the Phantom! |
He's also playing King Leonidas in Frank Miller's 300 (in production as we speak).
(I actually didn't like him in the Phantom. At all. The film was, of course, gorgeous (I mean, it was Webber's Phantom of the Opera, after all, how could it not be gorgeous) but Butler was just wrong. Too damn handsome, and that mask didn't actually cover anything, either. Why? why can't they ever get that right? Erik is a freaking genius ninja and totally cool, he's what every Anne Rice vampire so desperately wants to be, but he's also the ugliest creature on poor ol' Earth, which is basically the whole point of the damn story...)
"And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
— Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum
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Mikko Kuusirati
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| Wolfgang Armbruster wrote: | I don't doubt that modern man or the Cro Magnons met Neanderthalers. That happened for sure.
But I doubt that the troll-myth comes from there. |
I can actually see it happening, just fine. Imagine:
Once, your father tells you, when he was a child, some strange people came to their dwelling. They were like men, yet not - they walked on two feet, erect like normal humans, but their heads were oddly shaped, their limbs twisted like an ape's, and they were hairy all over. They bargained with the men, conversing in a curious pidgin of unintelligible sounds, sign language and awkward human speech, trading animal skins for flint and tools, and went away again.
His grandfather told him the hairy men used to come quite often, once, a long time ago, to trade and mingle with the people, yet now they were grown scarce, and hid from humans in the deep woods and hills. He only saw them once more, years later, when they happened to hunt the same deer. None of your own generation had ever seen them, although you had heard your parents talk about them, sometimes. In your time, you told your children the story your father told you... and they told it to their's... and on and on through the generations, until the story had spread throughout all the descendants of your people - and become myth and legend.
Pardon me for waxing all poetic for a spell, there...
"And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
— Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum
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